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burritoace t1_itqsca4 wrote

Reply to comment by cjc323 in Where to watch Fettermann vs Oz? by 10malesics

I'm annoyed by the texts too but if your annoyance outweighs the very real impacts of the actual election then your priorities are out of wack

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ventorun t1_its76u5 wrote

How about you stop telling others how to feel? You’re being a bully.

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burritoace t1_its7aui wrote

I'm very obviously not telling them how to feel, and am in fact commiserating with them

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ventorun t1_itsafzx wrote

You basically implied that if someone doesn’t agree with you, their priorities are out of wack. That’s bullying.

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cjc323 t1_itqtpj2 wrote

When exactly would be an acceptable time to tell politicians that spam txting me after I repeatedly said stop is legal harrasment and unnacceptable?

If they aren't listening and respecting me now when they literally need my vote how can I expect them too in office? Fettermen is supposed to be the "i'm like you" platform, but not acting that way.

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burritoace t1_itr5xgp wrote

>When exactly would be an acceptable time to tell politicians that spam txting me after I repeatedly said stop is legal harrasment and unnacceptable?

You should tell them anytime you want, and repeatedly if necessary. I agree that it is very annoying! What you should not do is withhold your vote over it, since this is but one issue among many. It's important to have a sense of perspective.

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cjc323 t1_itraavs wrote

Agreed it is one issue among many. Will check out the debate tonight and see if it's worth it. Who knows he may even apologize! I wonder if repubs are getting bombarded with OZ txts.

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drewbaccaAWD t1_itr2m8x wrote

If you had a chance to catch Fetterman in person and vent over this, and if he blew you off and was like "so what? shut up peon" then you're annoyance would be valid. There's a good chance that he doesn't even know this is happening or that the calls are coming from more than one organization. It's a complex problem and you are acting like he gets out of bed and directs his staff to make 10,000 texts each day.

I'm not saying it's not annoying, but bitching about it on reddit isn't going to make it stop and it's a much bigger problem than a single candidate in a single election.

I know one thing for certain, that Fetterman is more likely to read a letter asking for him to look into and change regulations regarding campaign calls and texts, robocalls, and that sort of thing. Get him in office, write him a letter, and judge him on his response to your letter... not on some teenager sending you a text on his behalf.

It's a close election, if you throw away your vote you get what you voted for... nothing. I'd rather have someone in office that I think there's even a remote chance that they'll listen to my concerns if I contact their office. We have a choice of someone running to represent us vs someone running to add another title to their name in order to satisfy their ego.

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cjc323 t1_itr97w7 wrote

fair enough point but this feels like enabling, and if you dont show them this election well the next election im sure will be just as important too so can't show them then either....

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drewbaccaAWD t1_itt7jlv wrote

If you can withhold your vote and make it blatantly clear that an election was lost because you and however many others made a stand on the basis of campaign outreach, more power to you.

But I really doubt your withholding of a vote will teach them a lesson...

That's one of the problems with elections analysts, unless there's an active study monitoring how you vote and why, they're never going to catch what led you to a given outcome. If you aren't asked at an exit poll or something, your vote will just be statistical noise to them.

If you really care, the first step is to sort out where the call(s) is coming from and get a discussion going. I'm in no way arguing that a "remove me from your list" request shouldn't be honored and something you can follow up on as it likely violates laws.

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cjc323 t1_itt8pep wrote

I think after tonights debate it won't matter much...yeeeeesh that was a train wreck. I've watched a lot of debates over the years that was realllllyyyyy bad.

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drewbaccaAWD t1_ittbs0v wrote

My expectations were 0, so I didn't tune in. Polished tv doctor who lies through his teeth vs honest guy recovering from a stroke that would rather make twitter style superficial jabs than discuss actual policy. Plus I just hate these "debates" more generally even with different candidates as two minutes or whatever isn't enough time to really discuss much of anything.

I'm glad there was only one debate and I'm not looking forward to hearing all about it. lol

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cjc323 t1_itugagc wrote

They had a bell and gave each opponent time to respond, there was a little back and forth but liked how it was run. I think it's vital to have one of these for things like pres vp sen cong gov mayor... They don't need to be an hour (with only 2 candidates). when run properly i think they are great for voters, if you can't catch it live you can watch stream/clips later. It makes for a more informed citizen and I think it's a good thing. Yes OZ being on TV for years clearly gave him an advantage, but I think it also showed Fetterman honestly still isn't 100%. which like it or not is important to know. He also said he wouldn't release his medical record also important to know.

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drewbaccaAWD t1_itv6s7h wrote

I wouldn't release my medical record either, certainly not every last detail. The thing is, unless you release every last detail there will always be someone there claiming you aren't being transparent... so it's more of a game than it is actual transparency. It wouldn't tell us anything anyway because the dust still hasn't settled post-stroke... so what you are really saying is that his injury is disqualifying because you're not willing to give him time to fully recover. There's nothing sketchy here. I'm all for transparency but some things really do need to remain private.

He doesn't speak well, I didn't need a debate to know that, It was clear just from the interviews he's done over the last few months. When he's asked a question he doesn't respond to the question and it's not the usual political dance around an answer, it's been clear that he's not understanding the question asked. I'm willing to take his word that it's an auditory processing issue; he otherwise seems able to understand and think clearly. But I agree, Fetterman isn't 100%, I'm just saying I've known this even before the debate.

I've watched at least 100 of these sort of debates in the two decades I've been eligible to vote and I've yet to see a single one that was worth my time; I've given up on the format. Some of the local ones have been ok but it seems like the closer you get to the top elections the more nonsensical they get. There's too much disingenuous bs, too many attempts at "gotcha!" I just can't be bothered.

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cjc323 t1_itvbo76 wrote

yes mental cognitive ability is important when you are running for office. yes he's recoverong and understand there but need to be able to fully perform in office or shouldn't be there. yes agree we don't need the minutia of his health record, but maybe more specific to his stroke and any info on when he might return to normal.

same been watching for decades. they arent for everyone but glad they are there as i feel it does help voters become more informed.

anywho thanks for the chat appreciate it and wish you the best.

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