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just_an_ordinary_guy t1_iuavupk wrote

Reply to comment by SqlHill in Two Teens Charged in Shooting Outside of Pittsburgh Church by Urbanette

Holy shit, the cops did their job once despite a very poor case closure rate and you're all "see, the defund people are wrong." The defund people aren't even against cop doing normal cop shit. They want the finite resources we have to be spread to actual useful stuff for the stuff cops are asked to do that isn't cop shit, like helping the homeless and having mental health interventions not be lead by roided up jackboots itching to kill.

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SqlHill t1_iub5m8i wrote

Case study of one - Pigeon Bagel in Squirrel Hill had a "defund the police" sign up last year. I asked "what does that mean? like move resources around?" Woman working at Pigeons' response was "no, it means abolish the police."

So at least some of the defund people mean completely defund and abolish the police.

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Willow-girl t1_iub8ol0 wrote

> Pigeon Bagel in Squirrel Hill had a "defund the police" sign up

So that means if they were robbed, they wouldn't call the cops, right?

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chad4359 t1_iuc2nz5 wrote

Oh no, as soon as they are affected they call the police and then bitch to the news that the police don't care about them

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just_an_ordinary_guy t1_iudl1vi wrote

Unfortunately, the system is set up that you are required to use the police to access your insurance. Even if they didn't want the cops to come and blast someone away over property, they still need a police report to be made whole.

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bfhurricane t1_iucujnz wrote

So what does “defund the police” in Pittsburgh mean to you?

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just_an_ordinary_guy t1_iudnbyo wrote

The defund movement, by and large, is about shifting some money and resources to other organizations that are better equipped to deal with the mixed roles cops are expected to have. Leaving cops to do normal cop shit like dealing with violent crime and such. It came from people co-opting the "abolish the police" movement, which I personally prefer since "defund" thinks cops can be reformed, and "abolish" thinks the current system of policing is beyond reform and we need to eliminate police altogether and structure a better means to address the problems cops have historically had in their jurisdiction.

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