Submitted by Safe-Pop2076 t3_ywaef0 in pittsburgh
Anycast t1_iwisroc wrote
Reply to comment by sj070707 in upmc by Safe-Pop2076
Probably referring to travel nurses? If so, they’re hired guns that serve as contractors and get pairs way more than a standard employee to do the same job.
Argercy t1_iwiugmn wrote
A good bit of them are also terribly under-qualified, fresh out of a two year certificate program granted by an online for-profit unaccredited "school" and sell Younique make up or doTERRA essential oils on the side.
Source: I currently live in Butler County, which churns these "nurses" out like cheap underwear from China.
cheesypotatoeggs t1_iwl4jm5 wrote
??? I’m a traveler based out of this area and don’t know what you’re talking about lol.
Argercy t1_iwm53kp wrote
There is a trend in less urban areas where girls who averaged Cs in high school and know they can't cut it in a real nursing program like Duquesne offers instead get "certified" for nursing through online courses and do their clinic hours under the supervision of burned out RNs in second rate hospitals.
These are the types of ladies who get sucked into MLMs and often use their "consultant" knowledge of essential oils as a form of healthcare as well. These are the people who post about 12 flower tea, colloidal silver water, and borax infusions on FB and they are typically antivax because of the Big Pharma Boogeyman while personally benefitting from the healthcare machine along with the occasional nurse developing a pesky opiate addiction.
cheesypotatoeggs t1_iwnghi6 wrote
These “nurses” have taken a licensing exam? RN or LPN NCLEX exams?
Argercy t1_iwnqss4 wrote
It's almost always just LPNs, I personally do not know any RNs on this level of blithering idiocy. The NCLEX exam only requires a little more than 50% correct answers for their exam. And I'm not shitting on nurses, I promise, but I did a "prep" test once to prove a point to someone and I passed it easily, I'm an engineer. I don't know if the standard for testing has always been so low but it is now and it's terrifying to be honest.
driving_85 t1_iwlzkud wrote
Please point to an online, for-profit, unaccredited school that is turning out RNs who are passing their boards.
I’ll wait.
Argercy t1_iwm6cmf wrote
I'm not talking about RNs, I'm talking about LPNs and CNAs.
driving_85 t1_iwmh565 wrote
Pardon my confusion.
Amrun90 t1_iwnespp wrote
That’s untrue. You cannot get a nursing degree online or somewhwre unaccredited and you can’t travel as a new grad.
Argercy t1_iwnrazo wrote
You take the nurse training courses online and get an associates in Science, then go do so many clinic hours and eventually sit your test, which the NCLEX only requires a little more than 50% correct answers to be licensed. And idk about that new grad not being able to travel thing, my neighbor finished back in May and she's on the road.
Amrun90 t1_iwo7qje wrote
You have to attend a program approved by the state BON to sit the NCLEX, and the NCLEX is an adaptive test that requires a significant body of knowledge to pass.
And no reputable company will hire new grads to travel. It’s so rare (and hugely unsafe) that I’d question your neighbor’s story.
Argercy t1_iws6wxy wrote
Yes, and many of those programs approved are offered through for profit career training centers and online schools. Like, a lot of them. Just because the program is approved doesn't always mean it's a good one.
And I'm sorry, but the NCLEX is not difficult. I did a prep NCLEX once to prove a point and I passed it, Im an engineer.
Amrun90 t1_iwsa96f wrote
I’m not saying you cannot study and pass NCLEX. I’m saying that knowledge is required. Also, every “practice” NCLEX test I took was not close to the actual NCLEX (which I did pass easily, I’m just saying they weren’t great approximations). NCLEX has very little to do with actually being a nurse. Nursing school is very regulated. If the schools are approved, there are certain standards they have to meet. Some are better than others, but nursing is largely learned on the job.
Do not belittle a profession you don’t well understand, please. You think you understand a lot more than you do, it is very clear.
Argercy t1_iwsg2n1 wrote
Where did I belittle the profession? I'm not belittling anything. I'm calling out the fact there is a problem with current nurse training and certifications/licensing/whatever. If you cannot see the current issue with healthcare and this army of nurses who have no business being in the field and the fact the nursing shortage has been capitalized by career training centers and a 51% correct answer rate on their licensing exams, I can only assume you are part of that army and cannot see your own contribution. Every respectable RN I've ever come across has mentioned this exact same issue. Ask any of them yourself.
Amrun90 t1_iwsq0cz wrote
I am not saying there are not issues to be addressed, as there definitely are. However, you don’t seem to actually understand how deeply disrespectful you are being to the field, which is a shame.
Argercy t1_iwuft3u wrote
Are you fucking kidding me?
I have every right to be disrespectful to a field that's falling short, which my life may depend on one day. Just because you're a nurse doesnt make you a god. You aren't a hero, you are paid to go to work. If you weren't paid, you wouldn't go. Heroism is a selfless act for humanity, my insurance premiums and out of pocket costs that go toward paychecks and the profit machine of healthcare doesn't make anyone in that field a hero. It's makes them a paid employee. Expecting the nursing field to be viewed through a lens of reverence is laughable. It's a necessity, like garbage men and postal workers. Someone has to do it, and they need to pay their bills.
I engineer integral pieces of equipment used in your labs, equipment that's used to save lives. I develop them. Am I a hero? Nope. I'm a manufacturing engineer who gets paid to use my brain to make things happen.
Amrun90 t1_iwunaq6 wrote
??? I never said anything about hero or reverence. I do deserve basic respect, which you do not display.
Argercy t1_ix1xu6n wrote
I don't know you other than the fact you work in nursing. Are you crappy nurse? I have no idea. But your vehement defense of these low bar nurses and insistence of my disrespect of you personally, well, if the shoe fits...
You should be just as angry as I and many others are of the deplorable state of nursing on the LPN and CNA level. This past year the company I work for has dumped thousands upon thousands into research and development to change our equipment and accessories of said equipment in order to "nurse-proof" it because this generation of nurses we have currently cannot operate the lab equipment previous generations were once able to use with ease. Your vendors of your lab equipment requested us to build our products in such a way a "10 year old child is able to use with ease and no confusion". You should be questioning why your colleagues are considered as adept at lab equipment as 10 year olds.
So do not tell me I do not know anything about the nursing field, I know quite a bit seeing as these people who supposedly have a vast and wide range of knowledge in order to pass their NCLEX cannot handle equipment I manufacture anywhere near the level of adeptness as nurses 10 years ago, to the point where my entire manufacturing process has had to change to accommodate them. My products shouldn't have to be dumbed down to compensate for their lack of knowledge and ability, there should be no handicap applied here seeing as people's lives depend on their adeptness.
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