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FuzzPunkMutt t1_ivg41k5 wrote

I hope Fetterman wins. I really don't want to know that so many people around me are willing to be represented by a quack doctor who is probably going to vote to remove rights from people.

But I have met people, and I know that most people don't have any idea what politics actually is. They will be voting for the nice man they saw on Oprah, and that's all the further they can think.

We'll see on Wed. But in 2016 I learned to never underestimate the failings of democracy.

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Tight_Departure_2983 t1_ivg80pj wrote

Mastriano winning would be a "flee the state" level event for my boyfriend and I. Oz winning would just confuse the hell out of me.

At least Mastriano runs on hate and control, which resonates with a lot of folks. Oz, however, is a well-known snake oil salesman. Who's his base, old folks who watch his show in a doctor's waiting room?

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DugganSC t1_ivg91lf wrote

Ever since Reagan won, there's been discussions of the hazards of celebrity campaigns... Of course, people also predicted that Kennedy getting elected would mean that the Vatican would run the United States.

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Cryptic_Skies t1_ivi9m73 wrote

> kennedy getting elected would mean that the Vatican would run the United States.

if i were a clever man, i would make a joke about the holy see running scotus with roe v wade being overturned, but i am not a clever man.

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FuzzPunkMutt t1_ivgc395 wrote

I'm torn on weather I'd leave or not. I just got here, I kinda love this city. I think I would rather stay and help shelter my fellow LGBTQ+ peers, and be someone that promotes turning the tied against the absolute darkness of truly terrifying ideas like the ones Mastriano pushes.

I get what you mean though. Oz would just be par for the course - an idiot grifter grifted idiots to no ones surprise. Mastriano WOULD cement the idea that there is NOTHING worth discussing with republicans, and we should expect to treat them as such.

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Pittman247 t1_ivgkts6 wrote

This Family will be right behind you if that happens.

I love and respect the women of my life too much to be a passive participant in the state-destruction of their humanity.

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lift_heavy64 t1_ivhjz75 wrote

I'm already leaving next week. There are many reasons why but the fact that this governor race is even a discussion is absolutely nauseating.

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CDewfus t1_ivgbx64 wrote

What are flee the state policies that he has?

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Excelius t1_ivgfoi9 wrote

Mastriano was a speaker at the Stop the Steal Rally on Jan 6th, paid to bus down a group of protestors, and was pictured outside of the Capitol as it was being breached. He was one of the conspirators who attempted to put forth a slate of "alternate electors" to hand PA to Trump after he lost the state in 2020. He attempted to get PA to follow Arizona with a fraudulent "audit". He's bragged about how he could use his authority as Governor to change election results.

He's a Christian nationalist and has attended QAnon events.

I say without exaggeration this guy is an outright fascist.

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Cylinsier t1_ivh3z1e wrote

Don't forget openly courting the antisemitic vote on Gab. Given we had a synagogue shooting in PA a few years ago, a candidate for governor courting donations and votes from the very platform where the shooter announced his plans should be an immediate turnoff for anyone. It's his own goddamn state, he knows exactly who he is courting on there because he is one of them.

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touch_my_hard_disk t1_iviajl7 wrote

> openly courting the antisemitic vote

Iā€™m just gonna write this cause I never have before.

I grew up on Pennsyltuckey. Almost everyone from my former life is a hardcore Trump fan and a Christian extremist.

I cannot for the life of me understand how/why these people simp so hard for the state of Israel while at the time being openly anti-Semitic. Did I miss something? Are they just idiots?

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Cryptic_Skies t1_ivkgz5b wrote

they are evangelists. according to the bible, israel must exist in order for the second-coming to begin.

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Btj20 t1_ivgdgfp wrote

I canā€™t speak for Tight, but my fiancĆ© and I are in the same boat. Weā€™re getting married soon and in a year or two will be looking to have kids. Mastriano winning scares us with him looking to make abortions illegal. Now, obviously weā€™re not looking to have an abortion just for the sake of having one, but God forbid something were to happen to her during the pregnancy that would risk her life, not being able to terminate the pregnancy right away to prevent that, and instead watch her suffer while our doctors run around trying to figure out the legal ramifications to what absolutely has to be done instead of being you know, doctors, scares us all to hell.

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SCros13 t1_ivgflwb wrote

This is my thought process as well and it's genuinely pretty terrifying. My husband and I put off trying until we felt we were in a good spot and the potential of what you mentioned makes me regret that. This election is huge for a lot of people and a lot of reasons.

I'm also not able to vote yet (green card holder but not a citizen) and the fact that there are people saying it wouldn't be that bad or choosing to sit this one out because they don't like Mastriano/Oz but refuse to vote for a Democrat makes me angry and a little sad.

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LL_is_a_Cool_J t1_ivgwyfs wrote

So pulling up stakes and moving is a better option than just driving to say New York or Maryland to get an abortion if the need arised?

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Btj20 t1_ivgx6mm wrote

No, but voting to not have that happen is way easier than both of those options.

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LL_is_a_Cool_J t1_ivhek16 wrote

I was referring to saying they would move from the state, I didn't mention voting.

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Btj20 t1_ivhezk7 wrote

Yes, you were replying to me. This whole post is about voting. What Iā€™m saying is itā€™s a topic weā€™ve discussed and it is a possibility. Moving is not out of the question. It would be hard, but luckily possible for us if it were to come to that. But it is easier to vote and make sure thatā€™s not something we have to worry about.

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LL_is_a_Cool_J t1_ivi84z7 wrote

>Mastriano winning would be a "flee the state" level event for my boyfriend and I

That's what I was commenting on.

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LookAnOwl t1_ivgpz1x wrote

I mean, off the top of my head, if I were trans, gay or a woman of child-bearing age that isn't ready to be a parent (or lets be honest, just a woman in general), I would have lots of concerns being in a Mastriano-run state.

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Radek_Of_Boktor t1_ivkennq wrote

Don't forget Jewish. Mastriano's hate covers so many groups it's hard to keep track of them all.

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jralll234 t1_ivgxm5b wrote

He is out to destroy public education in this state under the guise of eliminating property taxes.

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sawamander t1_ivgfcs2 wrote

The Heartbeat bill is a big one. "On day one, Mastriano will place an immediate ban on Critical Race and Gender Theory Studies in Pennsylvania schools." This is also pretty fucking wild; he is bringing up nonexistant issues to stoke fear and hatred in his base. Unless he wants to instate bans on college courses, which is also nuts.

"On day one, Mastriano will place an immediate ban on biological males in girls' locker rooms and restrooms. On the same day, Mastriano will ban biological males from competing in girls' sports." Indicates to me he wants it to be as challenging as possible for me to piss in a public place, which I moved to Pennsylvania to get away from, so the only remaining reason to stay would be med marijuana. Other places have rec.

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Odd_Description_2295 t1_ivhbudk wrote

Are you serious?

So you want another pat toomey who will vote along party lines?

Another trump ass kisser. Thats all.

Whereas fetterman has proven that he is the rifht person for this job?

Lol. Do you all just live in the clouds?

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pangaea1972 t1_ivgi5x1 wrote

Lol Oprah endored Fetterman.

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fireballsdeep t1_ivj98bc wrote

Yeah, a week before the election and it wasn't made into a big deal. Oprah spawned Oz. She's much more culpable than not.

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LL_is_a_Cool_J t1_ivgx55w wrote

It's going to be Shapiro and Oz.

Too much faith lost in the fake persona that is John Fetterman.

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FuzzPunkMutt t1_ivgyeg9 wrote

The absolute stupidity presented when you say Fetterman is fake so your rooting for a quack tv personality.

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LL_is_a_Cool_J t1_ivhcoh1 wrote

Did I say I was voting for OZ?

Not hardly Lil' Buckaroo.

Want to talk stupidity? It's pretty fucking stupid thinking there are only two people on the ballot for senate.

Fetterman is fake. His persona is built on him being the average working man, wearing his Carhartts and sitting in his brick basement.

But it's a show, a false front, a con.

Just like Oz, Fetterman is a fake.

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FuzzPunkMutt t1_ivhezkb wrote

>Not hardly Lil' Buckaroo.

Jesus, you're annoying as fuck. Good luck with that.

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LL_is_a_Cool_J t1_ivi8qmn wrote

And you're one of those people that makes shit up from whole cloth.

I never mentioned Oz, and never in the hell said I was rooting for him.

The annoying as fuck people are those like you who cannot focus on a comment without putting your own ingrained beliefs into your next comment when it has no bearing.

You literally got mad because I called out Fettermans fake working man shtick. It caused you so much grief that you had to make up a lie about what I said to make your fragile ego feel better about a politician.

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Go find a serious post where I rooted for Oz, not one where is was playing devils advocate or being outright sarcastic.

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FuzzPunkMutt t1_ivjkv5u wrote

I couldn't care less if you just want to throw away your vote. That's your choice.

I called you annoying because of how you present yourself -- so let us be clear on that. Kthanks.

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LL_is_a_Cool_J t1_ivk9tpc wrote

First day on the internet?

Here you will find people who communicate differently than your own circle in real life.

I called you a Lil' Buckaroo because you imagined something that wasn't there. Like a little child would while playing Cowboys and Indians or something. It was a joke. But you couldn't see that because of your own preconceived notions about "Republicans who are voting for Oz" or some shit.

So there's that.

Ahh, the old "throw away your vote" line...

If I vote how am I throwing it away? If the two major parties present candidates that I do not agree with why should either of them receive my vote?

The two major parties through their closed primaries do not allow me any input on who the candidates are so why would you think I am duty bound to give my vote to one of their picks?

In the presidential election almost 30% of eligible voters didn't even vote. But somehow I am throwing my vote away by showing up and casting my votes for the people that most closely represent my values and beliefs? Really?

Those 30% are the ones "throwing" away their vote, by not voting.

That's 30% of people that no party, including yours and which other major party is not yours, could not put up a candidate to attract those 30% to even bother showing up to vote.

And I'm "throwing away" my vote?

No, I am not. I will sleep very well tonight knowing that I did not cast my vote for someone who I consider either a carpet bagger or a closet racist.

I will sleep very well knowing that I did not participate in the "lesser of two evils" method of voting that the two parties have foisted upon us.

I will sleep very well knowing that I was not in any way responsible for sending one of two liars, one of two con men to the Senate where they will be bought off by lobbyists.

Can you say the same?

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