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DesertedPenguin t1_j0i40d3 wrote

I hate when this information is shared without context.

The reason homes are affordable in Pittsburgh is because the housing stock is woefully out of date.

Almost any house you buy at $150,000 or lower needs substantial work, especially with heating and cooling. Central air is the standard these days, yet there are countless properties still using radiator or electric heat. Not to mention any needs for plumbing upgrades or new wiring.

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dementedturnip26 t1_j0iu9iy wrote

Solid, yes…but how much work will it need? There are also genuine concerns about the neighborhood you’re in, and in general houses in neighborhoods that would generally be considered less desirable need even more workZ

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dehehn t1_j0m2soq wrote

I found a nicish house in a nicish neighborhood for around $150. (I've never worried about crime here.) Didn't really need much work. Has central air. I'd say I just got lucky but when we were shopping around I saw a lot of places in my price range that were similar. Most got snapped up before I could even bid but they're out there.

2020 majorly spiked prices because interest rates were so low. Things are cooling off again with interest rate hikes. Just go on Zillow and look around. There's some nice stuff out there.

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tonyzak36 t1_j0j7504 wrote

Came here to say this and glad it was said. Most of these houses were built for WW2 steel mill workers. Houses under 200k are going to need so serious work.

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HugeLongnStron t1_j0kwz8g wrote

We bought a house in the city for 160k. Love the neighborhood. House is in very good condition. No substantial work needed that we weren't aware of which was a new roof (roof was about 22 years old. No leaking but needed replaced). We have working central A/C and heat.

After reading this post it made me very fortunate.

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McJumpington t1_j0j9grc wrote

The amount of god damn radiators drives me up a wall.

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gimmedemplants t1_j0jg8yv wrote

Radiators are superior to forced air imo. I grew up in a house with radiators and now we have forced air. I so wish our house had radiators!

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cthulhu_on_my_lawn t1_j0lanqh wrote

You'll wish that until you see your electric bill.

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gimmedemplants t1_j0le1os wrote

The cost is about the same (we have a similar sized house and live a mile from them, so we’ve compared utilities). But their radiator-heated house isn’t as dry as ours (and we even have a humidifier system), and also their house heats much more evenly than ours. They’re also quieter in my experience. And as someone who keeps houseplants, I’ll say that plants love radiators!

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InfraredDiarrhea t1_j0kz11o wrote

I love my radiators. The air doesn’t get so dry, its quiet while its running, my plants love being on top of them, and i can give them a big warm hug when its cold.

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imhoopjones t1_j0jebcf wrote

Maybe where you are looking. I just got a house for well under 100k that needs less than 8k of work.

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dementedturnip26 t1_j0jjzy4 wrote

What neighborhood? Wilkinsburg?

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imhoopjones t1_j0jm161 wrote

Mckees rocks

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1ll1l1ll1l1l1l1l1ll1 t1_j0kxhgy wrote

Yes. There are tons of hidden and not so hidden costs to living here. See the other thread asking why their natural gas bill is $200 and half the responders saying "that's not so bad." Or the countless threads about new homeowners getting ass blasted in property taxes when their houses are reassessed. Or the lack of real grocer competition driving up food prices. Or the high gasoline taxes. Or the water and air quality potentially causing money draining health issues.

But yeah, house prices.

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TheApprentice19 t1_j0i1wo7 wrote

Shhhhhhh, don’t tell people that! It’s terrible here!

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DERBY_OWNERS_CLUB t1_j0ja4ur wrote

This sub legitimately believes that lol.

Also we should be trying to get people to move to Pittsburgh, the city needs it.

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dementedturnip26 t1_j0jjwbq wrote

I don’t think we believe it’s terrible. I think the affordability thing, especially for people making in the 50-70k range who are single is VASTLY overblown though.

Edit: or fkr that matter a couple or family. On your own though you really need to make 70k a year or more to comfortably afford 200k plus houses right now.

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Sad-Program-3444 t1_j0klmgf wrote

Which is why I live in a 50-year-old singlewide. As a bonus, my taxes are super-low!

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imouttahereta t1_j0m0zxt wrote

You're right, but it's still much better than most other US cities where you almost need to be a dual 6-figure income couple to get an actual house.

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jcrabs93 t1_j1owpl7 wrote

This is my dilemma right now living in Western WA, I make pretty close to 6 figures but being single income it ain’t easy saving for a down payment especially having kids, I’m 30-45 minutes from Seattle and my 3 bedroom apt is $2400. Average price is 400-500k for a single family home. (Unless you wanna drive 3+ hours from eastern WA) This is why I’m looking to relocate to Ohio. If I play my cards right I can probably be in a house over there by next summer, here in WA I gotta save another 6 years lol.

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AntiqueDistance5652 t1_j0lpcla wrote

Pittsburgh is cheap because it truly sucks to live here.

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dehehn t1_j0m1khn wrote

How so? Have you lived somewhere else you think is a big improvement?

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AntiqueDistance5652 t1_j0m32p3 wrote

Yes. Southern California (specifically Irvine, and Escondido) are tremendously better. The short stint I stayed in Ft. Lauderdale, FL was not equally better but nonetheless far and away blows Pittsburgh out of the water for quality of life.

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dehehn t1_j0mbby1 wrote

Well I appreciate that you have a point of comparison. Most people bitching on here don't seem to. Sounds like you just need to move somewhere warm.

You still haven't said what you think sucks about Pittsburgh. Other than a vague "quality of life".

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AntiqueDistance5652 t1_j0mhiri wrote

Poor infrastructure, lack of good public education for school age children, poor air quality, terrible weather and very poor sun proliferation, high amount of seasonal affective disorder, poor access to year-round outdoor activities, poor access to mental health resources (WPIC is horrible), high amount of problem drinking possibly due to the aforementioned, lack of good entertainment (few major artists come here, when they do they go to Burgettstown which is incredibly far away), poor public transit, badly located airport that isn't well connected to commerce areas, poor choices for international destinations out of PIT, low salaries (makes purchasing power low when going on vacation), undiversified local economy, age demographic skewed towards old people, high food cost with local food monopolies a la Giant Eagle, lack of culture and arts, and the list goes on.

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HarmonicOne t1_j0mps0e wrote

This screams of "I make So-Cal money, I want a warmer climate, more culture, and better infrastructure" and if so I have to ask, why are you here? Not trying to be mean, but it sounds like Pittsburgh and all the trappings that come with it are just not your scene. Which by the way is completely fine, but to fix all the problems you listed generally requires living somewhere that costs substantially more than Pittsburgh (see: So-Cal).

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AntiqueDistance5652 t1_j0nxk5j wrote

I'm here because I got married, and still waiting for our new house to finish construction.

I have a question though, why do you get so defensive about valid points getting made about what could be improved here? Yeah you can't fix the weather but there is no reason for the constant pollution we're bathed in, there's no excuse for the crumbling infrastructure, and there's no excuse for the piss-poor public education within certain parts of the city limits. There's also no reason for the remnants of racial redlining to persist this much for this long.

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HarmonicOne t1_j0of0lm wrote

It's not that I have any gripes about what you're asking to have improved, in fact I think every damn person in this subreddit would agree with nearly everything you said. It's the absolutely entitled out of towner nature that permeates all of your comments that I take issue with. Also, if you have the money to build your own house from scratch I'm clearly not completely off base with my "So-Cal money" comment. Good for you and your ability to look down on all of us from on high, it must be nice. We all want improvement in our city, but people like you trivializing the struggles and making it sound like we should be soooo much farther along than we are now, as if so many other American cities don't currently struggle with the same things, is aggrivating to put it lightly. Please, enjoy your McMansion wherever it is you built it, and go away.

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woodcuttersDaughter t1_j0idkkm wrote

That's within $10 of my monthly mortgage, but, it's an old house that needed a shit ton of work when we bought it and there is no AC. Some people wouldn't be into that. I like it though.

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Generic_Mustard t1_j0mofpu wrote

I also bought an old house, closed floorplan, dated throughout, has no AC, cheap price.

I like it, it's not for everyone.

I haven't put any money into it yet but all my friends ask what I am going to do with it.

Live in it (cheaply) mainly.

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altonquincyjones t1_j0jvcqa wrote

Window units? I lived in socal and people suffered during heat waves. Not much compared to here.

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woodcuttersDaughter t1_j0kvjdc wrote

I have 2, but we never even put one of them in this year. It’s so big and heavy we never felt like it. It gets cool enough at night that I sleep with fans fine.

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woodcuttersDaughter t1_j0m40b5 wrote

It was too hot for a few days, but it’s pretty tolerable overall. I couldn’t live like that all the time. I couldn’t live in the South, but for a week or two total, it’s fine.

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dehehn t1_j0m19bc wrote

That's a couple hundred higher than mine and I found a pretty nice 2 story with a finished basement in a nicish part of Brookline. We did some refurbs, but it didn't really need it.

You can definitely find good homes in Pittsburgh for that price range. Took us a while but they're out there.

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[deleted] t1_j0hj0c4 wrote

For anyone wondering what the column with the header inexplicably removed from the image is: median household income.

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Gerreth_Gobulcoque t1_j0iafe7 wrote

Meanwhile I'm here paying 50% of my income like a chump.

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PigDog4 t1_j0jjkc0 wrote

Have you tried buying a piece of shit fixer upper from 1890? That would probably get your mortgage way down.

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Sad-Program-3444 t1_j0klq5k wrote

There was one just sold in Langeloth, listed at $39,999. Brick house too!

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TransporterOffline t1_j0hljh9 wrote

Stop it. No. We don't need more people moving here chasing cheap real estate and driving prices up (i.e. less affordable). Lol.

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ballsonthewall t1_j0hoe3k wrote

They won't move here, they'll just be absent landlords here or the houses will be bought up by big money

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turp101 t1_j0ifabj wrote

Big money buys in very specific areas. Generally speaking, if you look around the fringes they won't be there.

So they may buy Aspinwall but not Blawnox, or may buy Ingram but not Crafton.

Additionally they have a buy box which is usually 3-4 bedrooms and 1-2 baths and having rehabs less than the purchase price. You just need to move outside their buy box to not compete with them. On the flip side, if you want to do business with them, knowing their buy box will save you lots of effort.

Source: Do it for a living

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kayimbo t1_j0iq702 wrote

hi, i'm actually going to pittsburg tomorow to look at houses. I'm here on reddit trying to learn about the neighborhoods. what do you think is good neighborhoods to look at?

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pioman t1_j0isi8u wrote

City living or suburbs?

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kayimbo t1_j0it3ny wrote

lean towards house, so i assume suburb, but haven't seen the city yet so not sure. I was checking out crime stats and said 'regent square looks good', then i was looking on the map, and houses right next to regent square were like 40k and i looked up the crime stats for wilksonburg and said what the fuck. How do you got the lowest crime area next to a place with such high murders.

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kayimbo t1_j0ivnq7 wrote

lol its so so fucked up when there is like 500k houses 5 minutes from 30k houses. As someone who doesn't know much about the city, or buying houses in general, i hate this.

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turp101 t1_j0umz6e wrote

Tip:

Take Redfin or one of the other tools. Switch to sold homes for the last year filter. Draw a circle around an area you are interested plus several blocks surrounded. You can see the flow of property values then. This gives you a good idea of if you are a decent area or not.

You will want to see the overall theme of house prices to start. So is it a $100k area, $250k area, or $400k area. If you are seeing prices peak at $100 or $125k with lots of sub-50k sales, and you look at the pictures and there isn't a huge difference, you are probably looking at a rental area, downtrodden area that lost the jobs 4 decades ago, or a crime filled area.

If you are seeing prices consistently in one of the higher brackets, with very few lower price homes, you are probably looking at an established or mostly gentrified community and the benefits that come with that.

If you see an area that has a strong mix, you are probably looking at an area that is gentrifying - especially if the higher price homes appear to be flips or rehabbed and the lower priced ones look to be grandma's house. The ratio of upper priced homes to lower priced homes will tell you how far along in gentrification the place is. Less than 25% of the homes being rehabbed - you are looking at a speculation play that may be on the boarder of a good area. 25-75% and you have an established area on the upswing. North of 75% and you pretty much have completed or are nearing completion of gentrification.

You can take this information and overlay school quality, crime rates, and public transit to get a strong feeling for how a community is.

Personally I like the old camp or mill towns in A/A+ school districts that have development around them. Places like Trafford or Cuddy. You can get a an older home with good bones for under $200k in an area without much crime and an excellent place to raise a family near highways. You won't have much public transit usually, but with work from home that isn't a show stopper.

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pioman t1_j0iwk6k wrote

Poor city planning in the 70s led to concentrations of poverty. The crime generally stays localized and has some connection to drugs/ gang activity. There are also pockets of wilkensburg that has some really nice old houses.

I’d say try to air b&b any area you are thinking about.

I’m partial to the north side (Allegheny west / Mexican war streets / deutschtown west of 279) for some really cool old historic townhouses.

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kayimbo t1_j0iy0pp wrote

thanks i'll make sure not not skip those areas

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turp101 t1_j0ul9f9 wrote

> houses right next to regent square were like 40k and i looked up the crime stats for wilksonburg and

The bus line is a man-made divide. Stay west towards Regent Sq and you should be okay. Go east of it and it is total speculation/slumlord/vacant and boarded houses territory. There are a few pockets of decent, Marlboro isn't horrible. The Blackridge area isn't too bad either near the Penn Hills line.

It is the same thing dividing Point Breeze from Homewood.

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CanIHelp2452 t1_j0j32jw wrote

We should also stop encouraging everyone and their mother who posts here asking if it’s a good city to move to 🤪. Yes, it is, but if you all learn that then it won’t be when it’s the next city with rents through the roof

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altonquincyjones t1_j0jvjxk wrote

Boise has entered the chat.

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TransporterOffline t1_j0jyitv wrote

Yup I was there in summer 2020 for a couple weeks and WOW the number of Washington and California people relocating there was insane.

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AntiqueDistance5652 t1_j0lpnst wrote

Yeah actually, we do. In order for Pittsburgh to become an actually attractive place to live, it needs a lot more people. It's never going to become a world class city by having no influx of money to drive demand to build newer housing stock.

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Guilty-Owl-8041 t1_j0jam0u wrote

…what they don’t account for…reassessment taxes 🫣

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talldean t1_j0jl1le wrote

Or repair debt on the houses.

If you need a new roof, repointing, a furnace, have knob and tube electrical, and the sewage line is coming up on it's 100 year lifespan, that's a loooot different than a house that didn't rely on boomers to keep it up to date.

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dehehn t1_j0m1mf9 wrote

That's everywhere though.

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talldean t1_j0m3zus wrote

I mean, most of the western US was built after 1960. It's not everywhere, and it's pretty bad in our pocket of Appalachia.

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dehehn t1_j0maxtb wrote

Ok sure. There's a lot of newer homes out west. And modern infrastructure in newer suburbs. But most big cities on the east coast are built on old infrastructure.

But I mostly meant you're going to need repairs everywhere. Even a house built in 1960 is going to be showing its age. Pittsburgh isn't unique when it comes to housing repair needs.

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Knightro2011 t1_j0l9dn1 wrote

Luckily, the CLR for 2023 is getting a huge drop and the CLR for the last 2-3 years is in court and looks to be swinging towards the people and not the school districts.

What I don’t understand is why the county is woefully behind on actually reassessing homes. Coming from FL, my home there was reassessed every year.

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Guilty-Owl-8041 t1_j0lltxw wrote

Yes! I actually am in talks with a lawyer now and planning our appeal in 2023, hope the court rules to drop the CLR for the past 2-3 years 🤞. The process is so convoluted. Almost forces you to pay for representation.

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tesla3by3 t1_j0lrdp5 wrote

The reason the county is not reassessing is 100% politics. A reassessment would result in a significant number of people (voters) having their taxes increased. Even if they coupled it with a decrease in millage so there wouldn't be an overall l revenue windfall to the County/School, there would be winners and losers.

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chrisms150 t1_j0n82rw wrote

Yep, it's bullshit. Just because you paid $5 and a pack of chewing gum for your house in 1950 doesn't mean it's worth that today. Property tax should be on the current value. Otherwise you discourage new people moving in significantly.

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pAul2437 t1_j0lf2qb wrote

District still needs the money though

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dementedturnip26 t1_j0iejjp wrote

First off, almost any house you get now at 200k is going to be needing a lot of work or not a great neighborhood.

Two, if this is what is considered affordable it’s a sad commentary on the state of our country. I would never advise a family making 53k a year to buy a 200k house. That’s just asking for trouble.

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Urbanspy87 t1_j0ip6jq wrote

What one person considers a "great neighborhood" may be overpriced suburbia to someone else. I bought for under 200k in a "great neighborhood." I also did not want a McMansion or a new build.

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dementedturnip26 t1_j0ity50 wrote

I agree, but even in places like west view and Bellevue, finding anything under 200k that doesn’t need a lot of work is hard, and those are traditional working class neighborhoods

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gimmedemplants t1_j0jg4mr wrote

My partner and I and many of our friends purchased houses in the last couple years in the 200k price range and all of us are in good areas and none of our houses needed a lot of work. We are so lucky here with our housing prices

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dementedturnip26 t1_j0jjri2 wrote

How many years ago? 2-4 years ago I’d agree…now though I’ve watched houses that went for 150k 6 years balloon to nearly 300k

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gimmedemplants t1_j0juiz3 wrote

We bought 18 months ago (when prices were going wild). All the friends we know that have bought have done so within the past 24 months (most within the past 12)

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TheTunnelMonster t1_j0jzkni wrote

I completely agree with you. I’m not from the area originally, but from my experience people looking for homes in the region completely limit themselves geographically. They draw a line around a neighborhood or school district and refuse to branch out. The value in Pittsburgh has only just started to be tapped in my opinion.

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gimmedemplants t1_j0legb6 wrote

I definitely agree that people limit themselves on area. I understand why they do, but it does restricts their options. When we were looking, we looked everywhere. Our only limiting factor geographically was being able to take public transit to Oakland relatively easily, but that still meant we were seeing and bidding on houses all over the city neighborhoods, as well as east, south, and west of the city (and somewhat to the north, but less so). Originally we wanted to be somewhere that we wouldn’t have to transfer bus lines, but quickly realized that was too limiting, so we adjusted accordingly

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sarahaqua17 t1_j0lt2km wrote

i’m thinking about buying a house soon to get out of rent craziness and id definitely be picky with the area because i want to see friends but people think anything across a river, let alone two, is too far to travel for a hangout :( like if i picked somewhere above northside i’d never see friends who live in the south so ive always chosen to live in the middle triangle, but that’s so limiting.

i also wouldn’t care much about the neighborhood except i take the bus a lot and more affordable neighborhoods have crappy bus access and are mostly food deserts too. none of the city should be inaccessible and lack grocery stores but apparently those are luxuries. a lot harder to find good quality of life in the more affordable places

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dementedturnip26 t1_j0qdqj1 wrote

I mean with how hard it can be to get to certain areas you have to. If you work on say east liberty or Oakland, living in the south hills opens you up to a dreadful commute and transit options aren’t great as you have to transfer.

If you work in cranberry you’re basically stuck to the north hills and a few southern neighborhoods around 79.

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Emetry t1_j0j8kmu wrote

I never could have bought a place back in Chicago, but holy shit are there a lot of homes we toured that were literally collapsing and were still asking $250-300k. Absurd.

We got very VERY lucky with our place in Brighton Heights. I love it here.

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spekkiomow t1_j0jiu69 wrote

Yeah the houses here are older but you can get some solid all brick construction that costs a fortune if you build new. If you're worried about the neighborhood just come to monroeville we got big rigs and a zombie mall, everything you need to raise a family.

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yennifer1223 t1_j0j48b7 wrote

If you want a house that is “quaint”, cold, no garage, needs work, with mid century touches like paneling and a wet basement

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DERBY_OWNERS_CLUB t1_j0jaudn wrote

ITT: Pittsburghers convince themselves they have it really, really bad despite all the data saying otherwise.

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dementedturnip26 t1_j0jkkcw wrote

53k median income with a199k median home price really isn’t that good….it’s just a commentary on the fact we are not as shitty as other places.

53k income buying a 200k home is a giant stretch. If you’re doing the 3.5% down for an FHA you’re looking at a 1430 monthly payment at a 6.61 APR. 53k yearly income means your’re probably taking home 3k a month? That’s the definition of paycheck to paycheck since that 1430 doesn’t include any utilities

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no_more_secrets t1_j0hukpt wrote

I wonder what this looks like with transfer fees and property taxes figured in.

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betucsonan t1_j0icdm7 wrote

This is huge. I'm looking in both Phoenix, AZ and Pittsburgh, depending on how things work out job wise. When I look in Phoenix I can raise my price ceiling by tens of thousands of dollars compared to Pittsburgh just based on the property taxes alone. It makes a lot of sense considering what the infrastructure costs must be, so I'm not complaining, but a lot of people seem to be surprised by these things whereas they should be considering them right up front.

Side note: even factoring that in, Pittsburgh is much cheaper. In Phoenix a run-down shack in bad need of major repairs and in a truly sketch neighborhood is easily $300k.

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woodcuttersDaughter t1_j0ie5ee wrote

What's the long term water situation in Phoenix? My understanding is that it's getting scarce.

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dingurth1 t1_j0j0l96 wrote

the metros should be relatively ok. Its the AZ farmers that are being put out of business (as they should be for trying to grow alfalfa and cotton in a desert using flood irrigation).

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dingurth1 t1_j0j16xx wrote

I think a lot of people don't consider it up front just because many people don't know how money works or what questions to ask or things to consider/investigate. I don't blame them since financial literacy or navigating local laws isn't something we prioritize in our education system.

Like you see these posts about how people suddenly can't afford their homes because the school districts reassessed and now they're paying more in taxes. When people post the numbers though, the reassessment values still line up with the documented tax rates I've seen.

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tesla3by3 t1_j0ltqb7 wrote

Agreed on this, but part of the problem is people rely on things like the online listings that show "estimated taxes" based on current assessment. Realtors should be upfront about the likelihood of the School District appealing, and tell the client to be prepared to pay the tax on what you paid for the property.

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semiseriousman t1_j0ihfw1 wrote

It's cheaper, yes, but now I realize you have to figure in an immediate revaluation and tax based on sale price.

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No-Mud-2665 t1_j0kr59v wrote

I'm actually trying to move to Florida because the winter is killing me. But it's true... The prices are keeping me 😩😩😩

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Loose_Range1897 t1_j0jrf7b wrote

We bought a house in the Pittsburgh area for under 200K last Aug. does not need a lot of upgrades. It is in a a good neighborhood. You just need to look for the good deals.

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dscokink8 t1_j0j918y wrote

Oh but those closing costs on your new home that will need significant updates. Boilers, antiquated wiring, and bizarre crooked stairs.

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theherbpuffer t1_j0jcl2u wrote

Pittsburgh has had affordable housing for a long time now. I'm from Dallas which used to be comparable to here as far as housing goes but now it seems like Texas is the new California.

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gbw5027 t1_j0jidp7 wrote

If you are paying more than 30% of your income on your home you messed up. Need to live within you means. I purchased a total dump and fixed it up myself in order to make sure I wasn’t over extending myself financially.

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odog9797 t1_j0kydi6 wrote

I always wonder where these figures come from. I could’ve swore a couple years ago our average was 300k or something

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LoyalTr8tor t1_j0lmydl wrote

That's cool and all, but rent is literally destroying me. Hard to find any decent 1bd apartment under $1600/month.

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AntiqueDistance5652 t1_j0lqvhp wrote

If you're trying to live in Pittsburgh for anything longer than 2 years you really need to be buying. A 3 bedroom detached house would have a mortgage payment much less than that. Why rent a 1 bedroom apartment for $1600 when you can get a house with a yard, garage, 3 bedrooms, a basement, and multiple bathrooms for only $1100 a month?

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imouttahereta t1_j0m2yi0 wrote

You're not getting that for $1100/mo at current interest rates. I bought a few months ago. 2 bedrooms, no garage. Mortage alone is higher than that, throw in taxes and utilities and it's closer to $2000/month. Not to discourage people from buying, but today is very different from this time last year.

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AntiqueDistance5652 t1_j0m3bgn wrote

No, I'm calculating based on current interest rates. Back in the 2.5% era it would have been much less.

Edit: assumptions are a 175k purchase price with 30 year fixed and good credit. 20% down.

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imouttahereta t1_j0m3pfd wrote

The only way your numbers work out in my experience are if you can afford a large downpayment, buy something that needs significant work, or in an unattractive neighbourhood. Your loan would have to be under 170k and I couldn't find anything worth considering listed under 200k.

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AntiqueDistance5652 t1_j0m4kz4 wrote

Give me your list of acceptable neighborhoods and I'll show you some recently sold houses. There are a lot, if you can't find them you're either not looking for them or your expectations are not that of a typical resident here.

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imouttahereta t1_j0m58es wrote

I'm sure you can find plenty listings that look good, as I did before I went to see them in person and noticed the issues. If avoiding places that are on a busy road, that have a basement with water issues or obvious structural problems is picky, then I guess I'm picky.

My house is just 1000 square feet, has poor insulation, was built more than 70 years ago. Pretty sure I'm not picky.

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imouttahereta t1_j0nos48 wrote

Right. I just bought a house but I don't know what I'm talking about. Fuck off.

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[deleted] t1_j0noyzv wrote

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imouttahereta t1_j0np3sk wrote

"This year" huh? Interesting.

Mind giving the address so we can confirm that it hits all the checkboxes? Hard to believe when you can't remember the year you bought it otherwise.

Too bad you deleted your post calling me a locust for being an immigrant, that was a fun one.

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Jahya69 t1_j0j7cks wrote

I beg to differ

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hybr_dy t1_j0jgrv4 wrote

Detroit: $20k burned out shell vs $1M top of line condo = median price. Not a ton of move in inventory. I suspect that’s commonplace in all of these cities.

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827xxx t1_j0jy2ml wrote

How is Pgh 2x as CLV?

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millerwelds66 t1_j0k7w7w wrote

We bought outside of allegheny county 150k home at 3.6 APR we come in at 1k a month. I love the home but I think I bought to much home . That’s not a bad thing per say it’s just overwhelming after renting for so long we are always busy put it that way.

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lod254 t1_j0legxd wrote

Just look at the treasures you could have in Pit-Cairn

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Muted_Horn t1_j0kgwp2 wrote

Welp... won't be affordable for much longer...

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suggsincharge t1_j0l1vn0 wrote

Is it just me or where we a lot closer to Cleveland prices until a few years ago

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Smashed_Broccoli t1_j0mb9il wrote

Considering homes here in FL that are like 10 yrs old with no hurricane damage are being required to get a new roof in order to be insured. I’ll take a $200k fixer upper with a 20yr old roof.

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Themanstall t1_j0k4sip wrote

This is lacking data.

What's the average age and sq footage of these house in these cities? Pgh has some old ass, creepy basement houses in the 200k range.

Texas you probably getting an updated turn key house with modern electricity and heating/cooling.

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Appropriate-Date-402 t1_j0lgjjn wrote

If by “updated turn key” you mean glued together “luxury” McMansion in the middle of nowhere… then you’re spot on. A lot of Pittsburgh’s homes are definitely older, but with some work they can be amazing places to call home that will far outlast any new build POS

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Themanstall t1_j0n37n2 wrote

"with some work" makes them more than 200k. thats my point.

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[deleted] t1_j0nczcm wrote

>heating/cooling

until the next snow storm...

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Bernie_Lomax69247 t1_j0l6a2v wrote

The shitty homes/home prices in the city greatly distort the price of what most people consider “Pittsburgh”. Prices are high on old crappy houses or straight up exorbitant on anything remotely new or nice.

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pAul2437 t1_j0leoof wrote

What do most people consider Pittsburgh?

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Elonmusketeera t1_j0i2mrk wrote

Yes. Homestead and hill district. Enjoy!

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13-9 t1_j0it07b wrote

Why are those two the first two you think of?

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