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DERBY_OWNERS_CLUB t1_j69xwsa wrote

Honest question - what's the goal of these specific protests? The officers were fired and are being charged with murder (rightfully so). Isn't that the best justice people can seek? Or is this more of a general "sick of this shit" event?

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shepherd_lover t1_j6aahg6 wrote

To continue to bring attention to these injustices. His parents asked for PEACEFUL protests also. I get that the cops were arrested but it keeps happening. The gravity of the situation needs to stay top of mind is all and changes made to protect people from these sorts of crimes.

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KentuckYSnow t1_j6bkd46 wrote

And how are elected leaders in Pittsburgh going to influence what goes on in other cities? By asking pretty please with sugar on top?

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drnuncheon t1_j6cuf26 wrote

The mayor will hopefully be encouraged to say “what can we do to prevent something like that from happening here?”

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chad4359 t1_j6bm51c wrote

The mayor will take a really hard super close look

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itry2018 t1_j6adl4l wrote

Personally, seeing Tyre Nichols’ murder at the hands of those who are being paid by all of our tax dollars to protect and serve, triggers rage and deep sadness, realizing that while these cops were quickly arrested and charged with murder (great progress, yes), there are still clearly serious problems within police culture that need to be addressed. How many similar things continue to happen that just aren’t caught on camera. People still have huge reason to fear/distrust police. This incident brings up for me, flashbacks to people I’ve known who have been victims of police brutality. I don’t know what to do with the overwhelming feelings of anger, frustration, rage and a peaceful demonstration of support of Tyre’s family and loved ones, surrounded by others who feel similar, seems like one way to cope in a healthy way with these feelings. That would be my primary goal. For me, it may also show that people feel more needs to be done on the issue of police brutality, in general. When people don’t speak up, everyone can assume everyone’s good with everything. These are just some of my thoughts about it.

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chad4359 t1_j6af5ju wrote

So did you end up going to the protest in East Liberty?

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Cute_Platypus_5989 t1_j6bigsp wrote

How many decades yes decades can we allow police too not only be above the law, but also freely beating and killing citizen's?

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chad4359 t1_j6bm0mi wrote

We will probably wrap it up by charging them with murder when they do so

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platasaurua t1_j6efte2 wrote

And then the judge blocks evidence, the murderers walk free and right back to the job - probably with a raise and a “good job” party from their pig friends.

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BackStreetsBackPain t1_j6aa4fp wrote

Most protests were not only for that reason. It was also to protest the systemic racism people of color, specifically Black people, encounter in the U.S.’s police system. Even if the police officers are held accountable, there are still tons of systems to allow what happened to happen again and again in the future.

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[deleted] OP t1_j6aezt9 wrote

So same color racism does exist?

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drewbaccaAWD t1_j6b091t wrote

>So same color racism does exist?

Yes. If a Black person follows procedures/policies/training/etc. that are rooted in racism. Although it's the difference between systemic racism vs a more blatant sort of racism.

Systemic racism is tricky, because it doesn't involve wearing polo shirts or klan hoods and carrying around tiki torches chanting "we will not be replaced" or some other BS. The systemic variety can be simple prejudice, profiling, or that sort of thing. The only way to combat it is awareness, and spreading that awareness is a fine line to walk as the receptive audience already gets it and those who need to hear it tend to get defensive (especially when the communication is coming from a stranger yelling in your face).

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Cohomology_ t1_j6am6x3 wrote

Democrats have successfully convinced their electorate that racism is such a big problem that they've forgotten to fight for much bigger problems like healthcare reform. Sad to see, but whatever. Dems are getting paid off just like the Repubs. It's all part of the plan!

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burritoace t1_j6bgsmv wrote

The bare minimum is not adequate, no

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chad4359 t1_j6bm8h6 wrote

So did you end up going to the protest in East Liberty?

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claire_voyant t1_j69lmwz wrote

Why is this sub so awful

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Cohomology_ t1_j6amkkn wrote

Awful = opinions I don't like. Best hot takes on politics on Reddit = sort by controversial

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Hoppiness83 t1_j69g0x1 wrote

I'll be drinking beer and watching sports at the local watering hole.

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chad4359 t1_j69ixeb wrote

I'll be doing the same at home

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Hoppiness83 t1_j69k18m wrote

One of the great things about GenX is that protesting wasn't our thing. Boomers loved protests. Millennials and GenZ love to protest. Us? Meh.

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69FunnyNumberGuy420 t1_j69kovx wrote

If you were born in 1983, you're a Millennial. Grats.

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Hoppiness83 t1_j69l806 wrote

Lol, nope.

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Glum_Review1357 t1_j69lng3 wrote

Fun fact you don't decide how generations get gapped

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Hoppiness83 t1_j69mmj8 wrote

It all comes down to not giving a fuck. I don't care what others think of me. I do my own thing my way. Most Gen Xers don't give a fuck and that's what we're known for, not giving a fuck what others think of us.

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aboutsider t1_j6clqhj wrote

Yeah, Gen X doesn't protest. They just take shit and bitch about it from the comfort of their home.

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Hoppiness83 t1_j6crc33 wrote

Nah, we just say fuck it and live our lives. No need to bitch about anything. If that's your parents, it sucks to be you.

Take shit? From no one!

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aboutsider t1_j6cye6m wrote

Haha, this is so confusing! So you don't take no shit but you also don't protest but you also just say "fuck it" but you also don't complain? Why is it so great to not protest and not bitch? Does that mean that gen x agreed with the status quo, that they just quietly took whatever shit was handed to them? And, if they didn't take that shit that was handed to them then how can you say they didn't protest? What exactly are you saying "fuck it" to? If I look at videos or pictures of protests from the last few decades, you're saying I won't see any gen xers?

Oh, and you definitely shouldn't make the mistake of thinking that gen xers don't ever bitch. I see it any time the divide between millennials and boomers is brought up-- always a bunch of angsty complaints about how everyone forgets about them even though they're sooo much better than all the other generations.

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Hoppiness83 t1_j6d156t wrote

Every group has outliers. If you take the time to read them, it's the same small group of complainers. Some people aren't happy unless their unhappy about something.

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aboutsider t1_j6hol5c wrote

And some people refuse to believe that they could be a part of a group that engages in behavior they don't agree with or like so they make vague, generic arguments that don't actually address any specific points....

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InevitablePersimmon6 t1_j6bwi74 wrote

I’m a millennial and I do not love to protest. Anything with huge crowds like that just makes me afraid that something bad is gonna happen. I’m terrified of guns. So I stay away. Happy to donate to worthy causes though!

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PurplePigeon96 t1_j6fakwu wrote

That sounds smart in this day and age. I tell my college age kids to avoid large gatherings because there's too many nuts cases wanting to run them over or shoot them. It's smart just donate online.

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handleytwynham t1_j6agx7l wrote

Which local Pittsburgh watering hole do you recommend?

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ttsignal24 t1_j6jyycz wrote

Just go to work. Your silly 'protests' do nothing.

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After_Vanilla_677 t1_j6afnv1 wrote

Which target are we meeting at?

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chad4359 t1_j6ajky1 wrote

Target?

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After_Vanilla_677 t1_j6alppd wrote

The store. Which target are we protesting at?

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Boi_wonderpants t1_j6aezfs wrote

It’s winter no protesting during winter thank gosh

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KentuckYSnow t1_j6bks6j wrote

Gosh?! What the fuck, are you a 10 yo Mormon?

But the truth, im glad this shit didn't happen in July. Target would be getting ransacked.

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[deleted] OP t1_j69blcx wrote

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sparrowmint t1_j69dpet wrote

Yeah, it's only been the biggest news story in the country. Very believable post by you. Truly in good faith for sure.

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Cohomology_ t1_j69ff3i wrote

Seriously never heard of it. Looks way worse than the George Floyd incident now that I googled it. Seriously doubt the response will be as large simply due to the races of the cops. I'm not siding with the cops, just pointing out how dumb racializing the police brutality issue is.

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ScratchMoore t1_j69ku53 wrote

Psst

It has nothing to do with the race of the cops. For once, these cops were fired and awaiting punishment, as opposed to the dozens of cops who murder unarmed civilians and barely get a slap on the wrist.

That’s the difference.

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nesquiksand2 t1_j69l73s wrote

Sorry if they're not covering it much on Fox news and OAN, but it's literally all over the place.

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sparrowmint t1_j69nuko wrote

It was all over the news on Fox News last night too, even on Hannity and Tucker and all that. A person could only avoid it if they watch or read literally zero news.

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Cohomology_ t1_j69toer wrote

Bingo. Kiddos and work keep me too busy

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burritoace t1_j69tx72 wrote

A good reason for you to avoid commenting at all

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Eubadom t1_j69zhwq wrote

Yeah. I can't imagine giving my opinion on something then admitting I have zero knowledge of the situation.

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Cohomology_ t1_j6aaa3m wrote

I formed my opinion (media and Americans at large get selectively angrier at police brutality instances depending on the racial makeup of those involved) on events prior to this one. Ex: look up tony timpa. White guy who had a similar incident to George Floyd. No one cared, seemingly.

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Eubadom t1_j6afc69 wrote

Yeah seemingly. Has any recent incident sparked anything close to George Floyd, regardless of the races of people involved? George Floyd was a perfect storm of circumstances to cause civil unrest. I'm pretty sure if that girl's video didn't hit social media in the middle of the lockdown it would have been swept under the rug and forgotten about like most police murders.

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Cohomology_ t1_j6andz9 wrote

Yup it was a perfect storm but besides George Floyd we all probably know names of multiple black folks murdered by cops and probably like 0 white folks. Given the statistics on such events it is clear the media has a bias in one direction. Fear and anger generates clicks and revenue, and making things seem like some sort of police race war helps generate the fear and anger.

One example that sticks out to me is a man who was running from cops and killed himself with a gun running into target. The cops caught up to him and tried to help. People on Twitter posted the videos of them standing next to him, and within minutes the target was looted and destroyed because people just assumed what happened. The genesis of these skewed perceptions is the media.

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NovelAuntieGin t1_j6b0alu wrote

>The genesis of these skewed perceptions is the media.

That's not true. The media generally only picks up on these stories when the community forces them to. The murder occurred on Jan 7th. Memphis authorities didn't decide to fire or charge the murderers until after they found out that there was video of the whole incident that was outside of their control.

There is absolutely nothing unusual about what they did. We all know it, especially the KKKops. We're only hearing about it because there was video outside of their control. They only fired and charged the murderers because they knew the video was about to be released.

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/28/1152353126/a-former-police-chief-says-more-police-does-not-mean-less-crime

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chad4359 t1_j6aq7sf wrote

Daniel Shaver is the only white guy I know off the top of my head and honestly I had to look up his name cause I just remember him as that pest control guy the cops shot

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NovelAuntieGin t1_j6b25ck wrote

He's not the only one. There are stats by race and other factors on police killing people.

If you're a KKKop, you're roughly 8 - 12% more likely to kill a white person than a black one. But white people make up over 70% of the population. If you're a Black person, you're something like 400% as likely to get killed by a KKKop than if you're white.

If you're a young, Black male, you're many times more likely to be stopped, searched, charged, convicted, arrested, assaulted, killed, and/or imprisoned than if you're a young white male.

The usual KKKopsucker response to this is that the young Black men are the ones committing all the crime. But that doesn't hold up either.

We only have stats on closed cases. KKKops only ever close about 1 in 3 serious crime cases. And a whole lot of those few who they arrest and charge turn out to be false charges. That's why we have The Innocence Project.

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chad4359 t1_j6b5ttn wrote

I see you couldn't name one though. Maybe if you weren't so married to your k key you could have. Oh well.

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aboutsider t1_j6cl7ub wrote

No, we know those names because BLM organizations have made sure to keep those names near the surface. That didn't just happen because of "the media". It happened because one very loud and influential organization who used the media made it happen. As much as I see white folks bitching about how no one cares about police shootings of white people, I never see them do anything but bitch about it. You don't even know what's going on in the news but feel utterly convinced that you're some expert on how the media is tricking us with racism! Hahaha!

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burritoace t1_j6b1ynd wrote

Black people are vastly more likely to be killed by the police than whites, but there are also more white than black people in America. If you gave enough of a shit to think about this for more than a second it would become quite clear. If you're not willing to do that, then shut the fuck up

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Cohomology_ t1_j6b27s9 wrote

Statistics is a tough field. Causality, confounding variables, statistical significance, etc.

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chad4359 t1_j6b73sp wrote

When raw numbers support their point they use them (people of color killed by police) and when per Capita numbers support their point they use them (southern states have more gun violence than Chicago, LA or Baltimore). It all depends on the narrative.

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Cohomology_ t1_j6b7dmo wrote

Haha yes indeed!

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chad4359 t1_j6bdn3z wrote

Don't forget that these are the same people that accept every single union except the police union

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Cohomology_ t1_j6bjz8g wrote

End the teachers and police unions. Implement universal healthcare. IMHO.

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chad4359 t1_j6blmxv wrote

Plenty of other state and county public sector unions that need folding up as well.

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burritoace t1_j6bas3i wrote

You're full of shit as usual. Doesn't seem like you understand the basic statistical concepts here, and you're no less engaged in forming a narrative than anyone else.

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chad4359 t1_j6bbwad wrote

Please feel free to prove either of my claims wrong, I mean it should be easy according to you. Give me the southern city that has more raw gun deaths than the cities I listed or show me higher per Capita white vs people of color deaths by police.

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burritoace t1_j6bflpk wrote

I'm not interested in your bullshit attempt to change the subject but the facts of police killings are utterly clear. Approximately twice as many white people are killed by police than black people, but black people make up a much smaller proportion of the American population. The only person playing fast and loose with the statistics here is you, and your half-assed caveats illustrate that pretty well. In this comment you are doing exactly the thing you just complained about, lol.

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chad4359 t1_j6bgf5h wrote

Lol, what a joke. Next you'll be telling me how every union except the police union is necessary and perfect.

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aboutsider t1_j6clfy4 wrote

No, and that's such a stupidly obvious deflection.

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burritoace t1_j6bauv3 wrote

Nobody needs your garbage excuses

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aboutsider t1_j6ckpvz wrote

It's not dumb if it is racial though. Black people are disproportionately targeted, beaten, and shot by police. Duh!

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tmrtrt t1_j69eeoh wrote

What part of ALL cops don't you understand? Also, there are massive protests happening all over the country.

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alwaysboopthesnoot t1_j69cebr wrote

People have been protesting. Some have taken to the streets. It’s all over the news, pretty much everywhere.

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Chance_Fall_5754 t1_j69pscf wrote

It’s been one of the most talked about events in the country for the last day or so

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EddieMoneys412 t1_j6a4xn2 wrote

But they wouldn’t know bc they aren’t on the internet to check the news. Yknow with kids and work 🤷🏻‍♂️

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chad4359 t1_j6b7aak wrote

But we need to raise awareness because you know the news isn't covering it

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[deleted] OP t1_j69cf5l wrote

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LukeV19056 t1_j69dhsv wrote

That’s not racist, they’re one of the only groups of cops to be held accountable for this kind of thing in recent times and it’s no coincidence they’re black, white cops would be on paid leave right now

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