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fallenreaper t1_j3r6wgq wrote

Reply to comment by HedgeRunner in Would you rather work, or stay at home? by 1fridee

own property. Grow own food. Farmer Market to sell excess to cover annual land taxes. Solar/Hydro electric sources. A well instead of a water connection. That there would remove all your key expenses. Other than that, its just chillin.

Edit: literally nothing I said is out of reach. It's all fairly doable, but with people wanting to have standards, live in cute areas, near city centers, white picket fences, and all that stuff, a reminder that each of those ideals is an implied cost beyond fundamental needs of shelter, food, water, electric. All of which can be planned and figured out, most of which have an upfront cost/effort and little maintenance thereafter.

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chad4359 t1_j3r79jq wrote

>Grow own food. Farmer Market to sell excess to cover annual land taxes

Sounds like workin' to me

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fallenreaper t1_j3r7mib wrote

Any physical movement is work. Sit in a chair like WallE? Not gonna happen. But if you want to be in shape, off the grid, not have to get fucked by charges from people's/Duquesne/income taxes etc, it's not a hard thing. It's just an option, but not necessarily the option.

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Exploding8 t1_j3rnq6y wrote

You realize everything you just described is work, right? lol. "Own Property" is doing a lot of work in there. Are you going to replace the roof yourself when it needs replacing? Fix the sewer yourself when it backs up? Whose going to fix the well when it breaks, you? You have excess food in this scenario?? Have you heard of farming? Its a job lol. Apparently you're also an electrician/engineer in this hypothetical reality if you set up and maintain your own Solar/Hydro electric power. Wild.

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fallenreaper t1_j3rqnel wrote

Existence is work. Driving to get food is work. Cooking it is work. Scrubbing your toilet and vacuuming, work. There are maintenance tasks all of us must do to not wallow in our own filth. There is a price to pay by not having to functionally work, but in your case replacing a roof... Cool, that's a once every 10-15 year task, what are you doing in that other time? Nothing. Maybe sitting by a fire, fishing, reading, walking around the property and enjoying your self-sufficiency.

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HedgeRunner t1_j3rawnr wrote

I think that sounds great but quite amount of cost you got there. First you need a house and a lot of land to grow your own food. Then you also have to make money from selling that food (this is not child's play). Then you need a well with decent water and I guess you can't really make your own electricity and would have to pay for it.

I am not discrediting idea, just saying if it's easy, a lot of people would be doing it already!

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fallenreaper t1_j3rbfxy wrote

I mean, easy is relative, but in this age we as humans have implied costs of sustainment, you need to meet those minimums. Food/shelter/electricity. You can shift around how those needs are met, and augment costs in various ways... But just staying home is being disabled in the eyes of the state which helps offset those above listed needs. Even developing a sugar daddy/momma relationship is a mechanism to offset the above.

Existing has an implied effort.

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HedgeRunner t1_j3rckce wrote

I like that thought process. If you work towards it from 18, probably can be achieved before 40. But hey, as you said people want to party and travel instead of save and be self-sustainable.

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fallenreaper t1_j3rpg5a wrote

If you're aiming for that lifestyle, you also aren't looking into suburban communities either. It's more rural, where you can buy land at like 1500 per acre, and as a low barrier for entry a nice 30k trailer to start as it has most simple things. A lot of property in nowhere PA is like 10-100 acre with a trailer on it.

That's something you can accomplish well before you're 30.

Also, I love the negative votes. I tried to be impartial and recognize people have different perspectives. Lol, but it's fake interwebs points so, lol who cares.

Just my 0.02. appreciate the banter friend.

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HedgeRunner t1_j3rqjyw wrote

First - I definitely did NOT downvote you despite that I'm a city guy through and through. (Can't live without my coffee shops and restaurants lmao)

But I do think you have a really good point that I myself haven't considered. America is super expensive in a city but if you can live really far, then it's just way cheaper and a lot easier to sustain your life. However, social entertainment is limited and most young people can't live without socializing (IRL not online)

PS: Gonna upvote you here and give you an award for giving me a different perspective.

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fallenreaper t1_j3rrdjo wrote

You don't need to. I liked the discussion.

I enjoy the city as well, and love coffee, but since I work from home and live in the city it's interesting. Generally I sublet my place and go work out of other countries where price to live is good and you have social experiences beyond the our consideration of norm. But as you travel you see vast communities that just exist. They found a way to make it work and have what they want/need generally. It's amazing to observe and see that there are so many trappings we take for granted.

Sure are they living the US middle income lifestyle, no. But that wasn't the base question asked by OP.

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