HedgeRunner t1_j3rawnr wrote on January 10, 2023 at 3:22 PM

Reply to comment by fallenreaper in Would you rather work, or stay at home? by 1fridee

I think that sounds great but quite amount of cost you got there. First you need a house and a lot of land to grow your own food. Then you also have to make money from selling that food (this is not child's play). Then you need a well with decent water and I guess you can't really make your own electricity and would have to pay for it.

I am not discrediting idea, just saying if it's easy, a lot of people would be doing it already!

fallenreaper t1_j3rbfxy wrote on January 10, 2023 at 3:26 PM

I mean, easy is relative, but in this age we as humans have implied costs of sustainment, you need to meet those minimums. Food/shelter/electricity. You can shift around how those needs are met, and augment costs in various ways... But just staying home is being disabled in the eyes of the state which helps offset those above listed needs. Even developing a sugar daddy/momma relationship is a mechanism to offset the above.

Existing has an implied effort.

HedgeRunner t1_j3rckce wrote on January 10, 2023 at 3:33 PM

I like that thought process. If you work towards it from 18, probably can be achieved before 40. But hey, as you said people want to party and travel instead of save and be self-sustainable.

fallenreaper t1_j3rpg5a wrote on January 10, 2023 at 4:54 PM

If you're aiming for that lifestyle, you also aren't looking into suburban communities either. It's more rural, where you can buy land at like 1500 per acre, and as a low barrier for entry a nice 30k trailer to start as it has most simple things. A lot of property in nowhere PA is like 10-100 acre with a trailer on it.

That's something you can accomplish well before you're 30.

Also, I love the negative votes. I tried to be impartial and recognize people have different perspectives. Lol, but it's fake interwebs points so, lol who cares.

Just my 0.02. appreciate the banter friend.

HedgeRunner t1_j3rqjyw wrote on January 10, 2023 at 5:01 PM

First - I definitely did NOT downvote you despite that I'm a city guy through and through. (Can't live without my coffee shops and restaurants lmao)

But I do think you have a really good point that I myself haven't considered. America is super expensive in a city but if you can live really far, then it's just way cheaper and a lot easier to sustain your life. However, social entertainment is limited and most young people can't live without socializing (IRL not online)

PS: Gonna upvote you here and give you an award for giving me a different perspective.

fallenreaper t1_j3rrdjo wrote on January 10, 2023 at 5:06 PM

You don't need to. I liked the discussion.

I enjoy the city as well, and love coffee, but since I work from home and live in the city it's interesting. Generally I sublet my place and go work out of other countries where price to live is good and you have social experiences beyond the our consideration of norm. But as you travel you see vast communities that just exist. They found a way to make it work and have what they want/need generally. It's amazing to observe and see that there are so many trappings we take for granted.

Sure are they living the US middle income lifestyle, no. But that wasn't the base question asked by OP.