Submitted by [deleted] t3_10g0an5 in pittsburgh
Gladhands t1_j4zxaw7 wrote
With the exception of Cincinnati, Pittsburgh is more like Philly or Baltimore than any of the cities in that list.
DIY_Creative t1_j502zmh wrote
I'd have to respectfully disagree. Of the list above I voted for Cincy having been to all of the cities listed (some many times). Cincinatti and Pittsburgh are really similar. But besides that Pittsburgh, imo, is closer to Cleveland and Milwaukee (and maybe even Columbus) before I'd say Philly or Baltimore.
Gladhands t1_j503lxv wrote
In what ways is Pittsburgh more similar to Cleveland than Baltimore or Philly, aside from population?
James19991 t1_j503w9x wrote
I don't get why half of this subs keeps saying Pittsburgh and Cleveland have so much in common when they look nothing alike. Sure there are similarities with people between the two cities, but how a city looks and feels has a hell of a lot to do with this type of question as well.
isthatwhathappened t1_j507ny6 wrote
I’ll die on this hill, Cincy is nothing like Pitt. I have friends who live there and visit yearly. Other than the topography the cities couldn’t be any more different
captainpocket t1_j50akq9 wrote
Dude. What? How so?
Gladhands t1_j50drxw wrote
Urban form, demographics, migratory patterns of black/white population, local culture.
captainpocket t1_j50fhjr wrote
LOCAL CULTURE?! Just no. Philly and Baltimore are deeply urban cities with significantly fewer...rural-minded people bopping around. (And I'm not equating "rural" with politics here.) Pittsburgh has cowboy wannabes in spades. Those cities do not. They have significantly more diverse culture, from things like restaurants to stuff like concert bookings and music played at bars. There is not even ONE edm bar in this city. Both of those have a countless number of them. Also of note, both of those cities regularly host music festivals. They are both east coast to the core and Pittsburgh just isn't. Its deeply influenced by neighboring WV and Ohio. The population is also a part of why all of this is the case, but it just makes the culture totally different. Pittsburgh has great stuff and there are a ton of hidden gems in most of the categories I mentioned above, but Philly and Baltimore are awash in just way more and it totally changes the culture.
Gladhands t1_j50guc9 wrote
To be clear: when I talk about local culture, I’m talking about those things specific to the city and region, which are not found in comparably sized cities outside of the region. Pittsburgh, lack of EDM bars isn’t a product of local culture; it’s a product of the city’s poor nightlife. Pittsburgh simply gets less in the way of big city nightlife because it’s a much smaller metro area.
Pittsburgh’s working class white population is virtually indistinguishable from Baltimore and Philadelphia’s. Those cowboy wannabes you were discussing are suburban/exurban (Pittsburgh does get rural far closer to the city than PHI/BAL). Pittsburgh is also in no way influenced by West Virginia, simply, because West Virginia has no influence anywhere.
captainpocket t1_j50hq72 wrote
That's just not true about WV. Take me home country roads is a hot song in Pittsburgh and the surrounding areas. There are a lot of WV transplants here, and the populationis small enough that its noticeable. The rural proximity heavily influences the culture. The nightlife heavily influences the culture. Thats part of the culture, you cant say it isnt. And the working class white population is completely different in Philadelphia. They are working class and white and similarly educated, but they aren't cowboys like they are here. I'm from Philadelphia, man.
Gladhands t1_j50j874 wrote
Basic white people love that song everywhere. https://wtop.com/entertainment/2021/12/the-universal-nostalgia-for-take-me-home-country-roads/
I don’t know where you get this impression that Yinzers are somehow different from working class urban whites in Philly. Yinzers are very specifically urban, and are the same type of people who do the Mummers parade. They’re the same as the whites who worked the docks. The working class whites in Pittsburgh are not the same as the working class whites 15 minutes outside of the city though.
James19991 t1_j50l89z wrote
Modern country and certain bluegrass is quite popular everywhere at this point, and not really just a regional thing anymore. Country concerts now get a big draw whether they're in New England, Tennessee, California, or Toronto.
The upcoming Morgan Wallen concert tour this summer includes three concerts at Fenway and two at MetLife Stadium in East Rutherford, NJ for example.
James19991 t1_j50hdq9 wrote
Pittsburgh is deeply influenced by the significantly less populated nearby areas of West Virginia and Eastern Ohio? You're kidding right? If anything, the influence goes around the other way.
Also as Gladhands said, if you ask where a lot of those cowboy wannabes live, it's more often than not somewhere outside of Allegheny County.
captainpocket t1_j50i1uw wrote
Yes. Pittsburgh is deeply to its core influenced by the fact that it is closely surrounded on all sides by rural wastelands for hours on end. Of course it is.
James19991 t1_j50lwib wrote
I have never in my life heard someone claim significantly less populated rural areas outside of a city influence the city more than the city would influence the areas surrounding it.
captainpocket t1_j50ulba wrote
Okay let me rephrase it to help you understand. A small city surrounded on all sides by rural nothingness is going to have a significantly different culture than a much larger city where people can take a day trip to multiple equally large or larger cities.
ConnectBlacksmith112 t1_j66kyli wrote
What part of Pittsburgh were you at ? Cause you clearly never to been to my side of town. So tell how different the culture is since you know so much. lol
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