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Oh-Kaleidoscope t1_jamopfk wrote
This is interesting also bc they've been investing in solar.. And they also have nuclear. I wonder what their goal is by blocking renewable legislation..but I'm sure most of their revenue is from non-renewables
misterspokes t1_jan2h49 wrote
They want to push other energy investing out of renewables to pull up the ladder behind them.
Proof-Variation7005 t1_jan7hf1 wrote
It's probably that and a little bit of trying to prevent their hand being forced quicker than they wanted.
Fossil-fuel companies aren't idiots. They know this stuff is the future but they don't want the government to force the issue before they're comfortable with it and they definitely don't want would-be competition to be subsidized in that process
iandavid t1_jan977i wrote
That article conflates different subsidiaries of a corporate parent, which implies they’re acting in concert as part of some overarching strategy. More likely the different divisions are acting independently, and the parent company is little more than a diversified holding company.
Either way, it would be nice to have some actual facts instead of the innuendo GoLocal is peddling.
easedownripley t1_jaoi2oq wrote
Likely hedging their bets. GM was fighting against fossil fuel and pollution legislation when they were producing their first electric cars in the 90s. If the regulations went through, they'd be ready. As soon as their lobbying killed the legislation, they had all the electric cars crushed.
Oh-Kaleidoscope t1_jarilvg wrote
yuck. what a gross practice
Proof-Variation7005 t1_jan8ile wrote
I'd be interested how that stacks up against PPL/National Grid.
I do love that GoLocal is trying to muster up outrage over conservative donations from a corporation.
Jeb764 t1_jan47b8 wrote
What the fuck.
littoral_peasant t1_japz91a wrote
Energy is big political business. What point are you making?
relbatnrut OP t1_jamgu1g wrote
According to this, RI Energy's rate is 17.85¢/ killowat-hour, so a reduction to 9.3¢ per kilowatt-hour will be substantial.
fishythepete t1_janusxh wrote
Those are winter rates for RI Energy. The new program launches is in May, which is after Summer rates go into effect (April). Remains to be seen if this will be competitive. Since Providence is buying the energy from NextEra, which is RI Energy’s supplier, and considering RI Energy is not allowed to profit from supply, I don’t think you’re going to see even a cents worth of savings.
Sarcofaygo t1_jaokims wrote
Winter rates are the most important ones
fishythepete t1_jaori6o wrote
Yes. Which is why comparing the summer rates from the program (9.3 c) to RI Energy’s winter rate (17.85) isn’t terribly meaningful.
Sarcofaygo t1_japaro6 wrote
True
relbatnrut OP t1_jamfwkf wrote
PROVIDENCE – The city has announced the rates for its new community electricity aggregation program set to begin in May.
The Providence Community Electricity Program will automatically give residents and small businesses an alternative electricity supplier at a lower cost and with more power from renewable sources. The rates will be fixed over an initial six-month period from May through November.
Three new, competitively priced electricity options will be offered: a 100% renewable energy option, a 50% renewable energy option, and an option with only the minimum amount of renewable energy, each competitively priced at market rates, according to the release.
The Providence Standard, the option with the minimum amount of 5% voluntary renewable energy, will be 9.3 cents per kilowatt-hour. Providence 50, the 50% renewable energy option, will be 10.22 cents per kilowatt-hour and Providence 100, the 100% renewable energy option will 12.3 cents per kilowatt-hour.
Providence is among seven municipalities in Rhode Island to launch the state’s first municipal aggregation programs. The other communities are Barrington, Central Falls, Narragansett, Newport, Portsmouth and South Kingstown. Each community is launching its own distinct program in May, but by combining their buying power to procure a common electricity supplier, Next Era Energy Services LLC, the communities were able to secure an electricity supply with a lower rate and more renewable energy than Rhode Island Energy’s supply option.
The contract awarded to NextEra Energy Services sets the default supply and pricing provided to participating customers to include 10% more renewable energy than the state minimum. Ratepayers can opt to increase or decrease the percentage of renewable energy in their individual supply, which will impact prices, Jamie Rhodes, sales manager for Good Energy LP, said in September.
All Providence residential and business electricity customers currently using Rhode Island Energy’s Last Resort Service will be automatically enrolled in the Providence Community Electricity Program’s standard electricity option as of their May 2023 meter read date.
Residents will receive a letter notifying them of the upcoming enrollment, providing instructions on how to choose a different program option other than the standard they are automatically enrolled in, and how to opt-out of the Providence Community Electricity Program. Anyone that does not want to participate in Providence Community Electricity may opt out without penalty at any time.
totoop t1_jamqx9h wrote
If the rates are fixed for the 6 months of May-November.....what happens after November?
degggendorf t1_jamtrpq wrote
They will be adjusted according to market pricing and projections.
Cutting out one profit-making link in the chain is a good step forward, but it still doesn't affect the global energy market that we're all stuck in.
Real change will come from us surging toward our renewable energy goals...don't have to worry about what a war in Eastern Europe (and corporations using it as an excuse to make record profits) will do to global natural gas pricing when our wind turbines will keep spinning regardless.
totoop t1_jamvav3 wrote
I'm not skeptical of this specifically due to renewables.
I'm skeptical that this is being spun as a way to bring down people's electric bills for 6 months (and you're automatically opted in to it? Is that correct, the wording in article makes it seem that way) and then prices revert to the market rate AND the electric option you've been opted into has a higher % of energy produced by renewables compared to RI Energy then couldn't you assume your bill after November will actually end up being higher then what you paid previously to RI Energy?
degggendorf t1_jan4v0z wrote
> (and you're automatically opted in to it? Is that correct, the wording in article makes it seem that way)
Yes, that's how the "supplier of last resort" works; that's who supplies power to anyone who hasn't specifically chosen a provider.
> and then prices revert to the market rate
To be clear, it will be adjusted according to the energy market (like happens now with RIE), not set to equal the market rate or any other supplier.
> the electric option you've been opted into has a higher % of energy produced by renewables compared to RI Energy
The default supply is the state minimum % renewable; that can't be higher than RIE % renewable. edit: I misread, this is incorrect
> then couldn't you assume your bill after November will actually end up being higher then what you paid previously to RI Energy?
No, you can assume it will be cheaper, since a non-profit-taking entity (PVD Community Electricity) is replacing a profit-taking entity (RIE) in the process.
totoop t1_jan6gpz wrote
Gotcha, thanks for the explanation I do now see your point about PVD Community vs RIE. I'm still hung up on this sentence though I suppose;
"The contract awarded to NextEra Energy Services sets the default supply and pricing provided to participating customers to include 10% more renewable energy than the state minimum."
That just seems at odds with;
"...and an option with only the minimum amount of renewable energy...."
What am I missing here? It seems like the default plan option, with the lowest % of renewables, is described as having the state minimum in one place and then described as having 10% more than the state minimum - do I just need another coffee?
degggendorf t1_jan7jkd wrote
No, you're right, I misread. I thought it was saying it's 10% renewable, which is the state minimum, but that's clearly incorrect.
Renewables should theoretically have lower generation costs which would enable lower pricing, but then that doesn't square with the higher % renewable options being more expensive.
Proof-Variation7005 t1_janqgou wrote
>Real change will come from us surging toward our renewable energy goals.
Or the people who hold back nuclear just shutting the fuck up. Cause we already have a pretty good stopgap solution that we just refuse to use to its full potential.
YogiBarr t1_jc84atx wrote
I just finished the book "Atoms and Ashes: A Global History of Nuclear Accidents" by Sergii Plokhy" (published May 17, 2022). Plokhy is an historian at Harvard. The track record for the use, management and safety record of nuclear materials is abysmal.
Wind and solar are five times cheaper right now than nuclear. The nuclear industry never quite calculates the cost for long term storage of its nuclear waste when promoting itself, either, so the cost is undoubtedly even higher than that.
We have stopgap with fossil fuels and longterms solutions available in renewables, especially if we make use of other technologies like tapping deep geo-thermal, tidal etc.
But of course, as you so elegantly point out, people should just 'shut the fuck up' and allow the nuclear industry to poison the earth and foist its con job on future generations .
wenestvedt t1_jamscjz wrote
"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"
StonksGuy3000 t1_jan1jbt wrote
That was my first question too, and it’s a fair one, but obviously the rate will never be guaranteed indefinitely. Only time will tell whether it’s a great deal or not
GoxBoxSocks t1_jamv290 wrote
There's a rumor going around of an additional 50% hike on electric from RI energy to be announced soon.
harris023 t1_jamwbcu wrote
They have to keep up with Massachusetts electric rates
luciferin t1_janbd52 wrote
Summer rates are already announced and can be found at the below link. Rates should be going down to 10.675 Cents/kWh in April for all RI Energy customers. I believe the PUC voted on this last fall with the fall time rate hike, but I could be wrong.
https://ripuc.ri.gov/utility-information/electric/national-grid-last-resort-service
GotenRocko t1_jao66u3 wrote
Yep, however it's a 36% increase over the rates last summer.
avastyematey t1_janm8ve wrote
it would be great if this was on a state level.
Proof-Variation7005 t1_janqxta wrote
In the meantime, once the more boomer-friendly media outlets start running stories about this, it's important to make everyone out in the boonies think that they're tax dollars are subsidizing us all running grow lamps 24/7.
nostragram t1_jas9vwl wrote
Why did they allow the sale in the first place?
lovecraft_401 t1_jamjisu wrote
“In addition, the Smiley staffers were unaware the company had been fined tens of millions of dollars for environmental, labor, and health violations by federal and state agencies.
According to the database ViolationTracker.com, Florida Power & Light/NextEra has been fined in excess of $30 million.
But more recently, the energy company has been alleged to have committed election violations and has poured tens of millions in support of GOP candidates in an effort to block environmental legislation, specifically efforts to promote renewables.”
https://www.golocalprov.com/news/prov-residents-and-biz-are-getting-a-new-electricity-co.-supplier-has-been