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degggendorf t1_jdfsrr4 wrote

Reply to comment by NinjaSant4 in 2 dead from reckless Dirt Bike riding on city streets by Flashbulb_RI

We even have the big unused dunes that seem perfect for that kind of thing.

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Slow_Hard_Curve t1_jdhbzki wrote

They used to be used for exactly this back in the 70's and 80's. I remember as a kid driving up 95 and specifically waiting to get to that part of the highway to watch them ride for a couple of seconds. Then someone got hurt (naturally) and they closed the land for this use. Same thing has happened at parks and hills all over the northeast for sledding- one person gets hurt, everyone suffers the consequences. Insurance companies up the cost of coverage and it just becomes cheaper for municipalities to close everything off.

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degggendorf t1_jdhdag2 wrote

Oh yeah, good analogy with sledding. I kept thinking about mountain biking which is allowed (and expressly encouraged) in a bunch of municipal parks around, and which also must have a pretty healthy injury rate too...but I guess not as high as sledding...?

Does the state actually have any liability beyond gross negligence in state parks? I guess I've just been assuming it's all at your own risk, and that I can't get the state to pay my bill if I trip while hiking and break a pinky finger.

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Slow_Hard_Curve t1_jdhfafc wrote

That’s a good question and I have to believe it depends on where you are, as well as if the land is covered by a local municipality or is state owned (or even federally). I’m sure the state has a lot more leverage for covering themselves than a local municipality does, but as a hiker my understanding is that the local, state or federal government can be sued if you get hurt on their land if your injury is due to their negligence, although I have no idea how that would play out in real life (if a tree falls across the trail and you fall when trying to climb over it who’s fault is it?). That being said, I can see how making a state owned motocross area could have a lot of issues like this come up.

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degggendorf t1_jdhglrh wrote

> That being said, I can see how making a state owned motocross area could have a lot of issues like this come up.

For sure; that will certainly ramp up the severity of both bodily and property damage.

I wonder how close to profitable a private business could be. $1 lease of that land from the state, modest amount of capital investment in track fencing, signage, clubhouse, track building/maintenance. Significant investment in security and insurance. What would someone pay, $40 for a 4-hour session? Then a clubhouse slinging $5 tall boys of Gansett after your session is over (strictly enforced) to pad the profits. It seems almost conceivable, but also, I know nothing.

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ynwp t1_jdfx36f wrote

Warwick?

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degggendorf t1_jdfz1xl wrote

I think they're technically mostly in West Greenwich

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ynwp t1_jdi8wz7 wrote

I am new to discussion.

Is the idea to repurpose state land in west Greenwich into dirt bike trails?

Why not just go to places like Exeter where there are dirt bike trails open to public?

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degggendorf t1_jdinb9v wrote

That's what I was suggesting, seems like as good a use as any, it's not like the dunes next to the highway are a great place for a housing development or any industry.

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Previous_Floor t1_jds5a5g wrote

The people suggesting a legal space to ride are missing the entire point.

This is urban street culture. It's rooted in defiance.

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degggendorf t1_jds7vyg wrote

If you want to paint Black kids as inherently criminal, that's on you. That is not my opinion.

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Previous_Floor t1_jdsm3c5 wrote

Nice twist, but it just shows a lack of understanding of urban street culture.

While riding is fun, the true thrill is the bold disobedience.

They are expressing themselves through their actions. They are essentially throwing up a huge middle finger to society.

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degggendorf t1_jdtg56t wrote

Thank you for expanding upon your prejudice against all younger people who live in the city, really helps paint a clearer picture of your opinions

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Previous_Floor t1_jdtvb1k wrote

Have you ever seen the ATV people in Providence? They're not just having fun on the city streets. They're hostile and aggressive.

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degggendorf t1_jduv5v6 wrote

Your opinion is crystal clear, no need to continue explaining it

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Previous_Floor t1_jdwajkq wrote

Bad look, dude. I'd suggest you google urban street culture.

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degggendorf t1_jdwe79c wrote

Bad look....allowing you to share your opinion uncontested? Sorry, I didn't realize that's a bad thing. Next time, I'll be sure to push back on your thinly veiled racism with more vigor.

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Previous_Floor t1_jdwn99m wrote

It's not an opinion. Again, do some research.

And yes, very bad look. Instead of acknowledging that you don't understand urban street culture, you call people racist.

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degggendorf t1_jdwo0s5 wrote

I'm really not sure what you want from me then. Do you want me to call out your prejudice or not? You've requested it both ways now, so I'm a bit confused.

But you know what? I don't really care how you feel, I'm going to keep doing what I want. No need for you to respond.

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Previous_Floor t1_jdx6xe7 wrote

Pretty sure calling someone a racist is a violation of reddit's TOS.

Edit: But don't worry, I'm not going to report you.

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degggendorf t1_jdxgcwc wrote

I specifically asked you not to respond. If you don't even put in the effort to do as I ask when it's so dead simple, how do you expect me to put in the effort to decipher your contradictory requests to accommodate your wishes? Or are you okay being so blatantly hypocritical that you want different rules to apply to you vs everyone else?

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Previous_Floor t1_jdya6gw wrote

Dude, seriously, I thought we were past this nonsense.

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degggendorf t1_jdycyze wrote

You lonely tonight or something? You keep multi replying to me just trying to goad more arguing.

If you really need a friend, stop trying to pick a fight and just converse like a normal person. Or, just please buzz off unless you have something actually meaningful to say .

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Previous_Floor t1_jdyiwxc wrote

It's pathetic that you attack people because you can't handle being corrected.

Urban street culture isn't difficult to understand. But I'm guessing you probably live out in the sticks and have never been to Providence. Regardless, google is always available. You should use it for subjects you know nothing about.

Time to put you back on ignore.

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degggendorf t1_jdzm380 wrote

>It's pathetic that you attack people

You don't see the irony in that phrase? Hope you find a friend so you don't need to string along inane arguments based on some imagined reality. Calling out your literal, direct prejudice "prejudice" isn't an attack, it's a fact. If you don't like that fact, then change yourself.

From the way you troll through people's histories, I would have thought you'd know enough to know what you said isn't true. Or, duh, you don't care about facts you just want to argue. Silly, I should have known that.

Good luck ignoring me, I really hope it sticks this time and you can avoid jumping into conversations you're not a part of just to argue with me.

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Previous_Floor t1_jdto562 wrote

Again, nice twist, but lashing out at me with baseless personal attacks due to your failure to understand urban street culture...well, it's not a good look.

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