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V0nH30n t1_iskvhb5 wrote

Terrible spot for a super market imo

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misterpeanutsman t1_iskx2p3 wrote

good thing no one asked you. finally we have a walkable grocery store in fox point.

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V0nH30n t1_iskxiku wrote

East side market, and 2 whole foods. You're in such a desert

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Cycle-path1 t1_isl5k95 wrote

Having the option not to shop at a store owned and operated by Amazon is a win in my book. Also it is way cheaper and far more affordable for families and students alike.

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nodumbunny t1_islfx7b wrote

Cheaper than what? Whole Foods is hardly the yard stick to measure by ... ANYTHING is cheaper.

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Cycle-path1 t1_islhtny wrote

That's my point! TJs is cheaper as opposed to Whole Foods which was the only store available for myself since I only walk.

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nodumbunny t1_islmapt wrote

If you live walking distance to the new TJ, and walking distance to a WF, then you either live in walking distance to East Side Market as well, or you live on the bus line. There are two WF and one is spitting distance from ESM, and the other is on the busline that also serves Stop and Shop.

In other words, you already have less expensive choices.

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alekoz47 t1_ismdvhh wrote

ESM is not cheap

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nodumbunny t1_ismjbjb wrote

It is less expensive than WF and probably Trader Joe's. My point is that Traders Joe's is not coming to save the day for people who can walk to East Side Market.

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Efficient_Bird_406 t1_isn3xpm wrote

Sorry…have you ever been to East Side Market? I’ve gone so many times in a pinch and a small tub of cream cheese is like $4.50. It’s so so far from cheap and honestly more expensive that Whole Foods in some departments.

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nodumbunny t1_isnzssc wrote

Yes, and because I sometimes shop at ESM, I know it was purchased by Ahold (parent company of Stop and Shop) some time ago. It now has most items priced the same as Stop and Shop, and many Stop and Shop brands (including cream cheese. If you're concerned about cost and the environment, don't buy the tubs. Buy the S&S brand of brick cream cheese available at ESM.) You can shop at ESM very inexpensively if you avoid the specialty items. The same is not true for Trader Joe's, where everything is special and therefore higher priced.

Downvote what you THINK I said, or read what I actually said. If you live walking distance to the Waterman WF, you live walking distance to ESM, and TJ is not going to solve any problems for you. Will a city bus stop right in front if TJ? It does at ESM.

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Silentjosh37 t1_isonra3 wrote

It honestly is not anymore, you are better off going to Whole Foods. The quality is better and in most cases you can find the 365 brand cheaper than anything you will find at East Side Market. Since Stop and Shop/Giant bought them a few years back their prices have gone through the roof. What makes it even worse is that it is all Stop and Shop signage, product etc priced much higher than Stop and Shop.

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_wheresMySuperSuit t1_islgx6u wrote

> good thing no one asked you.

commits to throwing in their opinion who nobody else asked for

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LiamMacGabhann t1_isnlq3r wrote

Exactly. I lived in that neighborhood for over 10 years and it really needed a decent full service grocery store. Eagle Market, was great, but didn’t have a wide selection.

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bentlarkin t1_isl7liw wrote

No clue why you’re getting downvoted, it’s already a dangerous/super congested area for cars and pedestrians. Love me some Trader Joe’s mandarin orange chicken but this area is gonna be even more of a shit show now.

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listen_youse t1_islds0p wrote

The area is decidedly not a shit show except for one thing: Too many cars. It is most welcoming to people moving about by means other than car. If that is not your thing, just keep driving to any of the other 1000 supermarkets.

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bentlarkin t1_isllx68 wrote

It’s surrounded on both sides by major arteries for 95/195.. what about that is safe? Another reason they never should’ve put 95 right through the center of the city.

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JasonDJ t1_ism3h6i wrote

…the whole point of the interstate highway system is to connect the capitals and major commerce centers of all the states. A highway that doesn’t go through the middle of the city would be a pretty shitty highway. Could you imagine if it just dipped into Olneyville and everyone wanting to get downtown or through the east side had to finish through backroads? Then multiply that by every commerce center in every state in the country.

Though I do kind of wish that the “norm” was a park and ride in an outskirts of the city paired with an efficient, effective, safe and family-friendly public transit. Unfortunately RIPTA is none of the above.

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dionidium t1_isohuap wrote

> …the whole point of the interstate highway system is to connect the capitals and major commerce centers of all the states.

Yes, that's right. The last mile through functioning urban cores wasn't necessary to that project and it wasn't even part of the original idea. It got added on as the project unfolded, because the gov guaranteed funding and every city wanted to get in on it:

> [Eisenhower] went on to say that the matter of running Interstate routes through the congested parts of the cities was entirely against his original concept and wishes; that he never anticipated that the program would turn out this way… [He] was certainly not aware of any concept of using the program to build up an extensive intra-city route network as part of the program he sponsored.

As for this:

> Could you imagine if it just dipped into Olneyville and everyone wanting to get downtown or through the east side had to finish through backroads? Then multiply that by every commerce center in every state in the country.

Of course I can imagine it. It would be great. The only possible way to think that outcome wouldn't be better is to believe that the efficient movement of people in automobiles though urban cores is the most important thing about a city, which is in my view basically absurd. In fact, you have to think it's important enough that it's literally worth tearing down the city that already exists, because moving people through the city is even more important than having a city at all!

It's important to remember that this is basically what people really thought when the highways were built. People thought cities were filthy, dirty, and inhumane, and that it would be an unalloyed good to tear them down so that people could move to the open spaces and fresh air of the suburbs.

At least they were consistent. They weren't afraid to literally say that. I think their values were wrong, but at least they had a logic to them.

Most of the arguments for highways today don't really demonstrate the courage of any such convictions. They're just arguments for the status quo, because people are used to cities with highways and can't imagine anything else.

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laterbacon t1_iso9co8 wrote

The interstate system was designed to mimic the German Autobahn except for one important thing. The Autobahn doesn't rip through city centers. There are well designed ring roads to disperse traffic into cities. Just take a look at a map of any German city and see how the highways all go around the cities.

Edit: there are actually two other important differences, one being the construction quality of the roadbed which is basically garbage in the US. The other is the avoidance of long straightaways. Even in flat open country, there are curves engineered into the Autobahn which helps keep drivers alert.

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lightningbolt1987 t1_issgc2b wrote

It’s just going to be… a city. Cities are busy and lively. That’s why they’re interesting. Right now it’s way too dead. Yes—there will be some traffic leaving a popular market in a dense part of a city. That’s how it is in every lively city. Looks like Providence is making progress. Stop complaining and be smart about when you choose to shop there. You’re not entitled to pull up right in front with no traffic as if you’re at a Warwick strip mall.

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V0nH30n t1_isl7zqd wrote

It's for the condo commuters. This isn't for Providence residents. People who like this shit are from Connecticut and work in Boston. No Rhode Island in them

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Efficient_Bird_406 t1_isn3paz wrote

That’s not true at all. I understand it’s easy to say but there’s so many full residents who live on the east side who would love this. Also whose working in Boston but from CT and passing through Prov for Whole Foods?? Such a weird comment.

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Silentjosh37 t1_isokdva wrote

This is true. There is already too much congestion and activity in and around this area. I am all for a Trader Joes going in and even in that area just right there is going to make it a complete shit show.

To those saying its great that it will be walkable, yes that is a plus, but it is also going to bring a lot more congestion to that area and actually make it less walkable because of the amount of people that will be driving to this location from outside the city. This is going to be a huge draw especially for the first year or so. There are going to be so many people coming in that do not understand how to share the road with people on bikes, pedestrians and scooters etc that it is going to become mildly more dangerous for those people.

Add on the fact that it is directly off the highway with what looks like not very well designed entry and exit to the parking lot it is going to a nightmare for everyone in and around that area as it is already has heavy traffic.

This would have been better suited down where the empty area down by Tops Electrical is where there is a huge empty space with enough space for proper entry and exits without fighting people coming directly off the highway. Still walkable but better overall.

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lightningbolt1987 t1_issgn64 wrote

More traffic is good for me since I live in the neighborhood—it means the cars go slower on the roads. Right now south main feels like a mini-highway. South Water used to feel that way until they wisely narrowed it. Also right now: there’s barely any traffic. Just a 10 minute delay during evening rush hour. Not a big deal.

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nbreadcrumb t1_isl2pf6 wrote

It's right off the highway. It's actually a great place. But go off.

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nodumbunny t1_islfkim wrote

I don't know why you're getting downvoted, you are correct. I used to work in that neighborhood and the traffic patterns are confusing. Where is the parking going to be? It's a bit of a food dessert I guess but it's not like TJ is accessible, or the people who live there don't have the resources to get to Stop and Shop.

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HereForTheLulz t1_islm6h2 wrote

Walk, bike, bus. Driving isn’t compulsory

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nodumbunny t1_islnbzy wrote

Why didn't I think of this? Yes of course ... Driving isn't compulsory, so we should definitely ignore the fact that there WILL be more cars coming to an area that is already confusing for drivers. You are absolutely right!

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lightningbolt1987 t1_issgxwl wrote

Who cares if more cars come to the area? This is how it is in most other cities. Can we stop wishing that providence was a ghost town? Let’s bring lots of people here and create vibrancy. A little traffic is not a big deal. Only dead cities have no traffic. Go to any lively dynamic city and there is some traffic because people want to be there. It’s really not a big deal. Just plan accordingly for which hours you’re driving there. The entitled Rhode Island culture of thinking any traffic or that needing to park two blocks away is a problem is completely insane.

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nodumbunny t1_issjy3l wrote

No one is saying "OH MY GOD CARS! NOOOO!" it's being pointed out that it's an area that already has confusing traffic patterns for visitors. I hope this has been taken into consideration. I also hope the walkability of Wickendon street will be preserved.

I don't disagree with you about cars and wanting people to come here, not all parts of the city can handle visiting cars equally well.

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lightningbolt1987 t1_ist5xeg wrote

More cars improves walkability by slowing down traffic. Also all of the added units in that development and the foot traffic from Trader Joe’s will be great for wickenden street merchants and in turn the neighborhood. No where in the city needs to “handle cars” it’s ok if there’s traffic in popular and busy areas.

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Silentjosh37 t1_isooeyc wrote

Yes but it is the majority of traffic in and around the area. 95% of all activity, commuting and shopping is done by car.

Especially in cases of grocery shopping I don't think you are going to be seeing many people coming in from the surrounding areas like East Providence, Seekonk, Pawtucket, Johnston, Cranston by bike to visit this market. This is going to be a very hard place for people walking, biking or busing to get to when this first opens and for the foreseeable future for the amount of people that will be coming here from outside the city.

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FoleyisGood t1_isnxvrt wrote

> Where is the parking going to be?

in the parking garage they are building

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