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StonksGuy3000 t1_iubxf0e wrote
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Pretty much all prior studies examine whether it impacts businesses in crowded city areas, not in more suburban areas like the east side. Also, parking on Hope st can already be a pain sometimes. I can only imagine how bad it would be if you take away half the spots.
Locksmith-Pitiful t1_iubzzc5 wrote
Hope st is a very crowded area, especially with the huge student population, in one of the most dense cities in the US.
We did the trail for a week and it was fine, more people were able to access Hope, families, kids, the disabled, etc, finally felt safe and could commute and ride around. As per studies and my observation, there's an over abundance of parking. And again, this infrastructure reduces parking needs as it encourages noncar transport.
We cannot keep catering to only cars especially in the wake of safety hazards, a growing dense city, climate change, and everything else.
If a business cannot survive losing 1-2 parking spots (even though all evidence shows it increases business), that's on them.
StonksGuy3000 t1_iufqv1v wrote
Hope St is not that crowded if you’re comparing it to any city area. If you’ve never ventured outside RI, take a trip to NYC or any major city and tell me how similar it is to Hope St.
If you’re Wara Wara, KG Kitchen, or any other sit down restaurant on Hope St, your typical customer is not coming via bicycle.
Locksmith-Pitiful t1_iufr5wa wrote
> If you’re Wara Wara, KG Kitchen, or any other sit down restaurant on Hope St, your typical customer is not coming via bicycle.
A typical customer absolutely is... well, they won't be because Hope St. is literally a death trap. Very few I know in the cycling community go down Hope for that reason and people in the community meetings have said the same. You've surely been to them and heard this, right?
You've also yet to convince me that 1-2 parking spaces is worth the lives of non-car users, climate change, accessibility, losing business, that this infrastructure won't reduce car use and thus parking needs, etc. I've also provided you with details around local and urban planning studies but you simply dismiss it all. This feels like I'm arguing with those anti-vaxxers or evolution deniers again.
StonksGuy3000 t1_iufsso1 wrote
This feels like I’m arguing with someone who makes AOC look like a tea party conservative.
It’s great that you bike everywhere and hang out with other like-minded cyclists, but that doesn’t mean you represent the standard resident or potential customer. The average person is not completing the Tour de France prior to sitting down for tapas and cocktails.
Locksmith-Pitiful t1_iuftewc wrote
You literally ignored all my points, again.
>This feels like I’m arguing with someone who makes AOC look like a tea party conservative.
What are you... you're literally playing the typical republican, car obsessed American here.
>It’s great that you bike everywhere and hang out with other like-minded cyclists, but that doesn’t mean you represent the standard resident or potential customer.
Most people own bikes and have families, and they want the Hope St. bike trail according to surveys, again, primarily for safety reasons as stated in the community meetings.
>The average person is not completing the Tour de France prior to sitting down for tapas and cocktails.
Huh...? Bro. I have a cheap bike I sometimes use to commute short distances like many others. I drive, I bus, I walk. The typical resident in the area likely doesn't even own a car as students may be the majority on the East Side, but that's not the point.
StonksGuy3000 t1_iufwcvf wrote
>What are you... you're literally playing the typical republican, car obsessed American here.
Our cities aren’t designed to get around solely by walking, biking, and relying on public transit. You can call me car obsessed all you want, but I don’t see any other way that I could practically survive while living on the East side.
>Most people own bikes and have families, and they want the Hope St. bike trail according to surveys, again, primarily for safety reasons as stated in the community meetings.'
Most people going out to dinner at Wara Wara are not biking there, with or without the bike trail. I’m not doubting that a number of very vocal people want the bike trail, but soon we will have a bunch of vocal people complaining about the lack of parking.
>Huh...? Bro. I have a cheap bike I sometimes use to commute short distances like many others. I drive, I bus, I walk. The typical resident in the area likely doesn't even own a car as students may be the majority on the East Side, but that's not the point.
Congrats! I’m sure your decision to bike 1 mile to Hope St instead of driving has really put a dent in global warming.
Locksmith-Pitiful t1_iufx6mh wrote
> Our cities aren’t designed to get around solely by walking, biking, and relying on public transit.
Wait, are you telling me Providence was built when cars were around or did we accommodate them over time while ignoring other modes of transit?
We just started putting in this accessible infrastructure a few years ago. We're currently catching up to other cities. Your suggestion to continue to cater to only cars is kinda fucking stupid and goes against modern urban planning and basic reasoning.
>You can call me car obsessed all you want, but I don’t see any other way that I could practically survive while living on the East side.
Proved my point about the need for accessible infrastructure 👍
>Most people going out to dinner at Wara Wara are not biking there, with or without the bike trail.
Most are but again, not the point.
>but soon we will have a bunch of vocal people complaining about the lack of parking.
oh no, they might need to walk 30 extra seconds!
>Congrats! I’m sure your decision to bike 1 mile to Hope St instead of driving has really put a dent in global warming.
"Transportation is the largest source of greenhouse gas emissions in Rhode Island. Vehicles accounted for 35.5% of total greenhouse gas emissions in 2017." - RI DEM
StonksGuy3000 t1_iug1eyp wrote
>Wait, are you telling me Providence was built when cars were around or did we accommodate them over time while ignoring other modes of transit?
We’re not moving back to less efficient modes of transportation as out primary means of getting around. It’d be nice to have more options, but I will still need to drive when I go to work in the morning.
>We just started putting in this accessible infrastructure a few years ago. We're currently catching up to other cities. Your suggestion to continue to cater to only cars is kinda fucking stupid and goes against all science and basic reasoning.
You continue to ignore the fact that Hope St is in the middle of a residential area, not a city downtown. There are many locals like myself that can walk to anywhere on Hope St, but people coming in from more than a mile or so away are going to drive.
>Most are but again, not the point.
This is an assertion of yours without evidence. Perhaps this is why many of the business owners see it differently than you. Presumably if they thought this change would help business, they would all be fully supportive.
>oh no, they might need to walk 30 extra seconds!
And possibly waste twenty minutes driving in circles looking for a spot while polluting the environment.
>"Transportation is the largest source of greenhouse gas emissions in Rhode Island. Vehicles accounted for 35.5% of total greenhouse gas emissions in 2017." - RI DEM
My point was that if you live sufficiently close that you have the option of biking or walking, your drive would be so short that the impact on emissions would be negligible. And if you live 5+ miles away, you’re probably not considering biking to dinner to begin with.
Locksmith-Pitiful t1_iug3zqt wrote
> I will still need to drive when I go to work in the morning.
No, when we build the accessible lane, you HAVE to use it. And since you drive, everyone else drives. eyeroll
>You continue to ignore the fact that Hope St is in the middle of a residential area, not a city downtown.
Residential areas have the most activity when it comes to non-car usage.
>but people coming in from more than a mile or so away are going to drive.
Tell how building an accessible lane is stopping you from commuting a mile.
>And possibly waste twenty minutes driving in circles looking for a spot while polluting the environment.
City and local studies have shown there's an overabundance of parking already that is never filled to capacity. You'll park on the corner and walk 30 seconds, boohoo!
I literally was there last night and found parking directly in front. I was there a few days ago again and found similar parking. In my almost 20 years here, I have never had an issue parking, lmao
>And if you live 5+ miles away, you’re probably not considering biking to dinner to begin with.
Interesting how other cities and countries people do that just fine... something, something... infrastructure? Naw, can't be! Surely, people don't bike/scooter/walk/bus commute in the smallest state in the nation because they're just lazy, not because they don't feel safe and would likely die because we only cater to cars.
StonksGuy3000 t1_iug75es wrote
>No, when we build the accessible lane, you HAVE to use it. And since you drive, everyone else drives. eyeroll
No idea what you’re even responding to here. I think you misinterpreted what I was saying.
Anyway, kind of tired of dealing with your pompous know-it-all attitude and self righteous manner of conversing. We clearly don’t see eye to eye and likely never will.
Locksmith-Pitiful t1_iug7dt9 wrote
ill never see eye to eye with someone who only cares about cars and nothing else
I'll see you at the community meetings.
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