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Beebeeleen t1_j01oy3a wrote

Reply to comment by Dopey-NipNips in Just a person who cares by AGirlsThoughts_

Yes. But it differs from say schizophrenia. Most people choose to consume drugs. They do so knowing they risk addiction. It is not like other mental diseases like schizophrenia, parkinson's or dimentia.

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Dopey-NipNips t1_j01pb0m wrote

That's contrary to what doctors say. Your feelings aren't facts

Where's your PhD again?

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Beebeeleen t1_j01pyd2 wrote

No. You are conflating two different types of phenomena.

Schizophrenia is a disease. People cannot avoid it.

Doctors have categorized drug addiction as a disease. It is avoidable. It can be overcome.

Try to overcome dimentia or parkinson's.

Have you ever known anyone with these diseases? I know addicts who get better then lead productive lives... and know people who eventually die from parkinson's, fade away with dimentia, and live in perpetual care with schizophrenia.

Sure, some addicts end up dead. But with help they can live better lives. The other three diseases differ in all respects. Even if someone takes meds for schizophrenia, said person is never really ok and must continue taking meds.

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Dopey-NipNips t1_j01setl wrote

That's how you feel. You're not a doctor

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Beebeeleen t1_j01vhce wrote

How I feel? On what grounds do you label my comments based on feeling rather than empirical observation?

Also, what doctors consider drug addiction the same at all levels to parkinson's, alzheimer's, dimentia, and schizophrenia?

You are clueless.

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Dopey-NipNips t1_j02m70a wrote

The dsm-5 literally the thing that all healthcare professionals use to define diseases

There's not levels of disease. It is or it isn't. And according to the dsm it's a disease

Now you may feel differently but nobody gives a fuck about your feelings.

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Beebeeleen t1_j02nkj8 wrote

So, cancer and aids is the same as addiction? Anything categorized as disease is the same? Do you see the error in your reasoning?

Or, let's stick to psychological diseases: are you telling me that alzheimers is the same kind of disease as addiction?

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Dopey-NipNips t1_j02oigu wrote

Of course it's not the same as alzheimers that's why it's called substance abuse disorder and not alzheimers

You said it's not a disease which you've learned through your "empirical observation" aka your feelings

Cancer is a disease. Alzheimers is a disease. Addiction is a disease

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Beebeeleen t1_j02p1g7 wrote

I said no such thing. You've been arguing against a strawman.

What I have wrote is that it is a different type of disease than say Alzheimers or schizophrenia, which is a fact.

I have also wrote in posts with others that researchers in medicine have debated whether they should continue categorizing addiction as a brain disease (or disease at all).

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=addiction+is+not+a+brain+disease&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart#d=gs_qabs&t=1670952588039&u=%23p%3DksQ1XshGG6MJ

You have attempted to portray my posts as conveying "feelings." That is nonsensical. My only subjective position was directed at OP--withholding empathy from addicts (I should have been specific about the types of addicts too).

You have conveyed emotionally laden attacks and strawman arguments. Calm down and read more carefully.

There are different kinds of diseases. And the kind I mentioned are worst in every way to addiction.

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NinjaSant4 t1_j01t77t wrote

You know addicts who get better, but they are never cured. Its always one bad day away from relapse.

You aren't a Doctor, your feelings aren't facts.

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Beebeeleen t1_j01udq3 wrote

Sure, but an addict's plight differs from the schizophrenic's.

Addicts can attend meetings. People suffering from schizophrenia, alzheimer's, parkinson's and dimentia can't just get better.... medication only helps them so much.

If you know people with all the aforementined diseases then you will understand this intuitively.

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NinjaSant4 t1_j01uxcr wrote

I know people with all of the diseases listed above. And guess what - drug addiction doesnt "just get better". That's an ignorant, naive statement.

If you knew people with any of the diseases you mentioned, you would understand this. But its apparent you do not.

You aren't a Doctor. Drug addiction is a disease. Your feelings aren't facts.

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Beebeeleen t1_j01w25t wrote

So we are on similar grounds.

As you've seen, a person with drug addiction doesn't get better over night. But, if said person seeks help and sticks to that help, said person can live a stable life.

However, the person with dimentia, alzheimers, and parkinson's can't just go to AA meetings or stop taking a substance to get better.

How do you know what I am?

You are not a doctor neither, so we must dismiss your posts?

yes, many in the medical field categorize drug addiction as a disease. However, the disease differs in many important respects from the mental illnesses I listed. It doesn't take a doctor to notice that fact. The key word is fact. The only non-fact I have shared was my initial view of withholding empathy for certain homeless people.

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NinjaSant4 t1_j01wo41 wrote

You seem to think medicine isn't an effective solution for schizophrenia, which tells me you've never actually experienced living with someone with that disease. It lets them live a stable life, so long as they continue to follow through with it.

And if they stop, the stability will often come tumbling down. Just the same as when a drug addict falls off their plan. "Not taking a substance" isn't all it takes to be cured of drug addiction. Its a struggle - every day.

I know you aren't a Doctor, so I don't need to worry about that. I trust medical professionals when they call something a disease. Facts are facts, drug addiction is a disease. Treat it like every other disease and stop trying to act like its some special circumstance that only some medical professionals refer to as one.

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Beebeeleen t1_j01xqdv wrote

Have you ever known someone who takes meds for schizophrenia?

They are not the same. And by failing to take it even once they fall into delusions. It is not pretty.

That differs in most respects from addicts.

How do you know what I am?

Do you think all phenomena labeled "disease" are the same? Try reading peer-reviewed articles in medical journals where doctors argue whether addiction is a disease at all. Or, read descriptions about the very real differences between addiction and the others diseases I listed

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NinjaSant4 t1_j022dso wrote

Yes. I have known and lived with someone who took their meds. They were totally functional and lead a productive life, when they did not take their meds they did not have a productive life. Almost like a drug addict who isn't actively using can have a productive life and then when they are using can not. Shocking how similar they are!

A disease is a disease. You aren't a doctor. I know this because you are claiming drug addiction isn't a disease. And the differences between diseases doesn't magically make one not a disease. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it isn't a medical problem.

Edit: Love when people make grand statements and then block you because they can't be bothered to learn that they are wrong. The person arguing with me was ignorant, thinking that drug addiction can just be magically turned off. Addiction is a life long DISEASE.

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Beebeeleen t1_j028bxa wrote

You are almost providing a false equivalence. The qualifiying word "almost" in your statement appears to downplay the real differences between schizophrenics and addicts.

Some addicts are in very bad conditions and others not so much. A schizophrenic on meds is still not the same person as once before pre schizophrenia.

And a schizophrenic cannot just stop being mentally ill unlike the addict. An addict's illness differs in important respects form that of the schizophrenic or of someone suffering from alzheimer's or dimentia. Why are you to trying desperately to depict them as the same kind of phenomena?

First, I have not claimed addiction is not categorized as a disease.

Second, not all phenomena under the category of disease are the same. Addiction is not like aids, cancer or alzheimers. They are different types of diseases.

Third, you are not a doctor. You continually make that claim as a means to dismiss my claims but fail to realize the irony of that rhetoric strategy: it also dismisses your views!!!

Doctors themselves do not conflate addiction with other ailments labeled as diseases. Yet, here you are doing just that.

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Dopey-NipNips t1_j02pdqa wrote

Meetings do not cure addiction regardless of whether you feel they do

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