leavingthecold t1_j46fs6o wrote on January 13, 2023 at 2:25 PM

I'm 50/50 on this situation. You have people that don't tip, tip little, tip accordingly, and tip big. I'm sure it all averages out but the shit this establishment pulled is stupid however they are free to refuse service.

Advertise .35 cent wings you will get what the cat drags in so that's on the establishment.

I wonder how many people in the service industry declare "all" their tips. Tipping is customary not mandatory and everyone in the industry knows that so a non tipper or "bad" tipper is to be expected.

WeShineUnderOneSun OP t1_j46i4c1 wrote on January 13, 2023 at 2:41 PM

I would say a majority of tips are left using cards. So those tips are in the books. Cash tips are another story. I try to leave cash tips for this reason. It helps the servers out.

Proof-Variation7005 t1_j46yru8 wrote on January 13, 2023 at 4:29 PM

I think it averages out overall, but I don't think that excuses it and I don't think that should excuse shitty behavior and going to a promotion like this and repeatedly stiffing the staff is shitty behavior. The fact that this lady compounded it by trying to bury the business and staff after the fact makes that even worse.

leavingthecold t1_j4753be wrote on January 13, 2023 at 5:08 PM

Its a never ending debate regarding tipping, anyone who works in service knows what to expect in this industry.

I'd honestly love to know how much of the cash tips are being declared for taxes. I've seen a bunch of people rake it up literally add that up at years end I'm sure they are shaving off numbers so I really don't feel bad.

Proof-Variation7005 t1_j478tc4 wrote on January 13, 2023 at 5:30 PM

I think a bartender knows to expect that some customers will come in drunk or get unruly and be a problem. It doesn't really mean that behavior should be excused.

As for the cash tips and taxes thing? I'm sure there's some of that but the percentage of cash tips and transactions has been in free fall for a while. There's also the basic realities that you still need reportable income to rent an apartment, or get a line of credit for anything. Hell, you'd want to have decent income documented just for something like needing to go on unemployment.

That's a wink-wink benefit that does exist but I think how common and easy it is are overblown. It's also, again, unrelated to the shitty behavior of this one woman.

leavingthecold t1_j485hy6 wrote on January 13, 2023 at 8:51 PM

The wink wink benefit of how much you claim on taxes might benefit specific service sectors more than others but you can still pull the wink wink regardless a benefit that a 40 hour on the book worker doesn't have. See below

Server lets say grosses 40-60K in cash tips per year they probably will under report a little

Stripper lets say grosses 90-100K in cash tips per year you would be stupid not to under report.

Proof-Variation7005 t1_j489tpd wrote on January 13, 2023 at 9:18 PM

Totally. Though I think the majority of servers aren't coming close to that on purely cash tips. Maybe if the place is doing everything under the table, but that's kind of dumb for everyone involved.