I can’t seem to figure it out. I’ve tried raking certain leave piles, clearing out the flow of water, etc. and it still pools. Just not sure if I should be calling any generic landscaping company or if theres an industry for this issue.
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techknee OP t1_j8e3dds wrote
thanks for all the information. Gives me a lot to work off of moving forward in terms of research.
LostDefectivePearl t1_j8e5pm3 wrote
I added a tip about how to quickly rule out someone trying to make a quick buck. To be clear a poorly installed French drain will work for a few years, it will just fail a lot faster without filter fabric.
healthyBabyBoy t1_j8ezn9w wrote
what happens when they fail? they just dont transport water away from the house well? i have a feeling mine is kinda jacked up from idiots driving over the french drain line thats not super deep
LostDefectivePearl t1_j8f1ukk wrote
When they fail they just drain water a lot slower or not at all, like they’re not even there. When I dig up a failed French drain I expect that it does not have filter fabric around it.
Depending on how deep the French drain is buried, it could definitely just be smushed under there. If you have access to one side of the pipe (like a downspout for example) you can use a hose and see if you can flush anything out.
Luckily if it was installed well, it’s really doable for a homeowner to replace a short segment.
healthyBabyBoy t1_j8flkyt wrote
I have seen the plastic corrigated tubing, so it is probably not covered in a fabric or very deep. I am not sure if mine is failing yet but i could see dirt getting in where the line has been crushed a bit. I'll give the hose a try
techknee OP t1_j8e5w5f wrote
yeah it’s tough to decide what to do since i’m renting, but in charge of the yard work. I really am only trying to lower the pooling of water so that I can do things with my dog in the backyard without them being covered in mud / soaking wet. Thank you again.
LostDefectivePearl t1_j8e9u9y wrote
Oh that’s a bummer, these solutions can get really pricey with a pro, unfortunately I have no idea on that end but my guess is not less than $1500 for the most absolute basic tiny French drain (and your yard sounds complicated, sorry to say) I would contact your landlord because this work is beyond what you should be required to do.
BlueXTC t1_j8hpi2a wrote
Yard work would not include lot drain system. That is a landlord issue and I would discuss the solution with them as you cannot use the backyard due to drain issues. Yard duties are trimming, grass cutting, bush and tree maintenance but per code of HOA, county or city, not drainage issues.
lunar_unit t1_j8dyhde wrote
Sounds like you have no perc. Which means your yard is very clay-y and doesn't absorb easily. Grading (filling low spots and sloping the land to drain away) might help.
How close are the puddles to the house? Sometimes adding tubes to extend your downspouts away from the house can help get the water farther away, but then you have tubes on the surface. You can also add buried tubes, but that's a lot of digging, and they need to drain to daylight somewhere, and in a flat yard that can be hard to do.
[deleted] t1_j8ednou wrote
Taking this as an opportunity to tell everyone that YOU NEED TO PUSH WATER AWAY FROM THE HOUSE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE!
All your gutters should, at a minimum, have these cheap gutter extensions at the base:
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Spectra-Universal-Downspout-Extension-White/1002865770
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Just push water AWAY from house. You do not want thousands of gallons of water every year seeping into your foundation. It's a fun way to destroy your foundation, create horrible mold, or worse.
Your giant roof catches so much water and sends it down spouts... do you really want ALL that water going underneath your house / foundation?!
It's cheap. It's easy. I've seen so many houses not have even the cheapest one I linked above. They make nicer ones, they make better solutions, but at a minimum you gotta do something.
Water and houses should always be separated... preferably by a water proof pipe ha!
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Fun note: Have a neighbor who has his downspout extension curving away from the house and he has it position directly into his neighbor's basement foundation crack. That's how I found out that neighbor hated the landlord neighbor next door lol
STREAMOFCONSCIOUSN3S t1_j8g7cwg wrote
What about all the houses out here in Short Pump from the 80's with no gutters? How does that work?
Charlesinrichmond t1_j8gn9hf wrote
Depends on design. It can work very well or it can be horrible all depends if it was designed properly
In truth gutters are the solution to a problem but people slap them up whether or not the problem exists
WoodwickVonRazzle t1_j8et8jy wrote
Gotta love that Virginia soil, so damn hard you can bounce your shovel off it
ImmobilizedbyCheese t1_j8dysoy wrote
You may have very clayey soils. My neighbor back in CT had the same problem. He and his son dug up trenches and filled them with stone and perforated drainage pipe. You could reach out to a smaller engineering company or landscape company to take a look and do the work.
uva2011 t1_j8e3ej1 wrote
Have some experience with this - Ultimately it comes down to how much water is pooling and what grade you have to work with in your yard. If it's not a lot of water, and you have some grade in your yard french drains will fix the spot pooling.
If it's a bigger issue and/or you don't have enough grade to move the water then it gets stickier. Most places will give free estimates so worth talking through with them and then can weigh the cost vs. doing it yourself.
My issue was so bad the city ultimately resolved it - Kudos to them as it was free vs. $$$ that private companies were looking to charge, with no guarantee it would actually resolve the issue.
LostDefectivePearl t1_j8eaccc wrote
Shit you must’ve had a culvert just dead end onto your property or something like that, glad they paid for it. Sounds like a nightmare
bilbobadcat t1_j8eyh78 wrote
We have this issue and it’s compounded by commercial buildings that run up against our yard straight up dumping their rain into our yard. Kind of curious how you got the city to fix it.
uva2011 t1_j8eyy9o wrote
Feel free to DM me for more specifics. In that scenario I think if nothing else the city could pressure the commercial buildings into resolving their piece and then could re-evaluate after that.
Like most things with the city they seem genuinely willing to help if you can get in front of the right people. We took pictures down to city hall and they quickly got on board following that
ValidGarry t1_j8e4pnv wrote
It pools because it can't be absorbed into the ground and / or or can't flow anywhere else. You probably have very clayey soil since that is prevalent around here. Beyond that, your yard is either a low point, has nowhere to flow to, or both. Is everywhere around you a bit higher? Then you have the low point. If you can see somewhere lower, you might be able to help the water move there.
ADoug t1_j8e67ya wrote
In addition to a French drain, a dry well may be a helpful addition.
fusion260 t1_j8e37hj wrote
Our back yard—which is on a slope towards the back that sheds the surface water off our yard—is also heavy on clay soil and would make the spongy sound when you walked on it a day or two after a rain shower.
Once we started having it aerated every fall, that reduced most of the spongy sound since the water got deeper into the ground and more loose leaf/grass cuttings got into it.
That might be the cheapest/fastest route you could take. If you’re physically able to do it yourself, rent an aerator from HD and give it a pass. Otherwise, a lawn maintenance person/company can do this for you for a fee.
Regardless of who does it, make sure to walk around your yard and mark any solid things on or near the surface (exposed roots, trunks, sprinklers, rocks, etc.) in the ground that you’re aware of otherwise the aerator will buck on you if it hits it.
RexsNoQuitBird t1_j8e4ge6 wrote
https://websoilsurvey.sc.egov.usda.gov/App/WebSoilSurvey.aspx
Use the soil survey to see what your soils. The data isn’t 100% accurate but a good start. Odds are you have clayey soils which are kind of like a sponge. They’ll absorb water but once saturated become impermeable.
Take a look around your yard, are your neighbors properties sloping to yours, do you have downspouts that are discharging in that area?
If your neighbors yards slope to yours, I don’t think you can just put a berm on the property line to dam it up. So you need to collect the water and discharge it somewhere. Yard inlets can be bought at Home Depot and are effective, but you need to pipe it somewhere. If your yard slopes to the street or somwhere you can “daylight” a pipe, that’s ideal. But if you’re like me and have a flat or even low lying yard, you’ll need to do a dry well, which is just a hole in the ground with a fabric liner to keep the soil particles out, and an open graded gravel like #57 stone. Run the pipe to that and the water goes through the stone and permeates into the soil. If you have clayey soils the dry well will need to be pretty big which is why daylighting is preferred. Or if you did down and find you have sandy material, that had a higher permeability and will drain faster.
Edit: when was the last time you aerated your yard? Every time it rains or snows or you walk on your yard, it gets compacted. Before you go digging up your yard, try aerating it so it can open up and breathe. You can even mix in organic material to improve permeability (I’ve never done that so can’t speak on its effectiveness)
JohnnyWall t1_j8fkadi wrote
I live in Henrico County and they sent someone out for free to look at my yard.
STREAMOFCONSCIOUSN3S t1_j8g80ls wrote
What came of their visit?
JohnnyWall t1_j8gg6a0 wrote
They offered me solutions I could take care of on my own. I have county property adjacent to mine and if it was a county problem they would have fixed it. They were quite knowledgeable.
Easy-Remote-8667 t1_j8ggm6i wrote
Another option in addition to the ones listed above, and depending on how far the pooling is away from your house, is installing a rain garden. We back up to a creek/swamp that dumps into Swift Creek Reservoir, and parts of our backyard were perpetually pooling or soggy. We had a company come put and install a rain garden in the lowest area, and we have slowly added water loving plants to assist with soaking up water. The James River Soil and Water Conservation District was proving some funding prior to Covid for installation of rain gardens, but funding got cut during Covid, and I'm not sure if it's been brought back.
reebokhightops t1_j8soxqp wrote
I own a landscaping company and have extensive drainage experience. Shoot me a PM if you’d like me to swing by to take a look.
LostDefectivePearl t1_j8e2iun wrote
There is an industry. It sounds like you may need some French drains installed. It’s incredibly common because much of the soil around here is clay.
You can learn to do this yourself, it’s not very challenging but it is dirty and physically taxing. To be successful you will need to be able to solidly assess the grade of your lawn and see where the drain should empty. It will definitely be easier to call a pro.
If you want to go all out and tear up your whole backyard, you can have it regraded. You’ll very likely still need a French drain after regrading. Depending on your yard, you may be able to get away with a rain garden or dry creek bed. There’s a lot of options (with a range of prices and visual outcomes) but it will come down to your yard and your budget.
A hardscaper will definitely be able to do this, a landscaper will likely be able to as well.
If you are seeing strange wet patches when it has not rained, you probably have a leak in your irrigation system.
Edit: wait, I’ve dug up a ton of poorly installed French drains. A French drain must be wrapped in geotextile or it will fill up with sediment much faster (French drains will fail eventually when this occurs). Ask how a French drain is installed. If they don’t mention geotextile/non woven soil filter fabric, ask about it. (“How do we prevent it from filling up with dirt that washes in over time? Is there some kind of filter fabric to prevent that?”) If they tell you it’s not necessary, thank them for their time and call the next person.