Submitted by RaygunNanci t3_1206924 in rva
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Danger-Moose t1_jdha7so wrote
>What the fuck is it going to take to make a real change?
If they're actually convicted that might be a start.
thats_genocide t1_jdhi432 wrote
Just a head's up that during academy, Henrico Sherriff's Deputies already get focused mental health training, including 40 hours of crisis intervention training:
https://henrico.us/sheriff/training/
It amazes me that these idiots are still getting paid. I'm not sure why we need a criminal conviction to acknowledge that these seven deputies shouldn't be anywhere near the job they were doing. At least the Dinwiddie Commonwealth's Attorney is doing what's right.
justbecauseiluvthis t1_jdhcf4b wrote
> What the fuck is it going to take to make a real change?
An incredibly strong black woman in the White House.
ILayWood12 t1_jdhi46e wrote
Yes, a specific race and gender will solve all our problems lmao
justbecauseiluvthis t1_jdhy3hz wrote
Someone whose cross sectional diversity gives them a perspective of how to fix systemic issues of oppression, yes, they have a better shot than old white christian men.
Utretch t1_jdi50q5 wrote
Well we all know that after Obama got elected racists got a lot more chill, police brutality stopped, the security state was rolled back, things got a lot better, right?
justbecauseiluvthis t1_jdi8ct6 wrote
I know that with Republicans in the White House and now controlling Virginia we've had a pushback on every single political issue we've ever had to fight for. I love how you argue against an imaginary candidate. Why don't you try thinking of better solutions for the world?
I think a Latinx or Muslim woman would certainly be capable of the job, thinking about strictly the numbers involved. It would take less than you probably think. The tide will rise eventually.
lunar_unit t1_jdhieaq wrote
Politicians have mostly sold their souls by the time they get to the White House.
Obama was a charismatic person, a great diplomat and arguably one of the better presidents we've had in decades, but he also bombed the fuck out of Afghanistan, even after having antiwar stances early in his career and presidency.
'Top Cop' (a title she gave herself as prosecutor in California), Kamala Harris has always been a 'law and order' politician who did very little to reform policing in California when she was in office there.
It's been said that one of 'the solutions' to better policing in America is to have a more diverse police force, but it seems that cops are cops; most of the people involved in Otieno's homicide were Black, and the cops who killed Tyre Nichols were all Black; it made no difference in how the victims were treated.
justbecauseiluvthis t1_jdhyl4u wrote
That's why I said incredibly strong. The opposite of Trump, she can shoot from the hip on the can and make actual change (like obama promised.) She should give no fucks for the right wing.
brachism t1_jdh4hyj wrote
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Far_Cupcake_530 t1_jdhyfhu wrote
I have mixed feelings. This was terrible and tragic, but who is going to fill their shoes? I can't imagine working in a State mental hospital where you deal with violent patients every day. I don't think I could do their job if it paid $500k per year. I am guessing they make under $50k and wonder how they ended up in these jobs. Do your emotions go dead and you are just trying to process one intake after the next, which you are being punched, bitten and spat upon? Now the good employees will be treated as the enemy and new hires will be few and far between. This patient was too mentally ill and violent to be on the streets, in the Henrico Jail and this was the last resort. What is the answer?
andycallsmebigtuna t1_jdk2ogg wrote
We don’t know if he was even aggressive, and even if he was, we don’t know whether he would have been if the police hadn’t treated them how they did. Jail wasn’t ‘the last resort’. How you treat someone, and how you get them to a treatment facility, makes a lot of a difference. All he did was take some lights from a neighbor because he was in an affected state, and the police were called on him. He was denied his medication
The job becomes a lot easier if people are treated like patients and most importantly people
To your point about pay, yes the medical system and especially mental health, needs to have better pay. The unfortunate part about that is that the money is currently put into what’s most ‘profitable’… and what is that? It’s certainly not inpatient care for non-millionaires—that’s for sure. The healthcare system needs to be pressured by the government to put more money into necessary but not super profitable systems of care. And to prioritize preventative efforts that will prevent people’s health from getting worse. The same thing happened with pediatric wards and childrens specialist positions being cut from hospitals to accommodate covid but not being converted back, leading to the RSV outbreak this fall being deadly for kids
lunar_unit t1_jdg6coz wrote
Clearly, the police response to mental health events needs new policies that train them better to deal with these events. But in this case, it wasn't only a poor response to a mental health emergency, it was a virtual repeat of the police response to the George Floyd and Eric Garner situations (which weren't mental health events): overwhelming force that asphyxiated them and Otieno by applying pressure in one way or another that resulted in their deaths. The choke hold that killed Eric Garner almost ten years ago was already against police policy and they did it anyway. George Floyd's death almost three years ago was a clarion call for the nation that once again showed that police methods needed to change, and yet here we are again.
What the fuck is it going to take to make a real change?