Submitted by systematical t3_yfbonq in rva

Ballot envelope says "do not open except in the presence of a witness."

Reading over this https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title24.2/chapter7/section24.2-707/ it looks like the witness then needs to sign this.

I have never voted in VA before, but have voted by mail before and this is new to me. What the fuck is this shit? I'm inclined now just to vote in person rather than have my ballot disregarded for messing following these rules.

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eightbitagent t1_iu2qhro wrote

It’s pretty commonplace to have a witness sign the ballot envelope. Just fill it out when someone else is around. Or just scribble something on there in a different color ink not in your handwriting. No one will know

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ChiliTrees t1_iu435dp wrote

I- I mean my friend- always just fills out her ballot whenever she gets it and then has a friend sign at earliest convenience. Not like anyone would ever know.

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Ocean898 t1_iu457wb wrote

Let’s not suggest anything that could void his or her ballot.

It’s not rocket science. Sit down with a friend for a few minutes, open ballot, complete it, put it in appropriate envelope, have friend sign. Look at a sample ballot first if you need to figure out what’s on there and how you’ll vote.

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cantaloupe-490 t1_iu4mpwd wrote

Just make sure if you vote in person (early or day-of) that you bring your absentee ballot with you. They'll void the absentee ballot and then you'll get a new ballot to vote. If you don't bring your absentee ballot, you vote provisionally so that they can make sure your absentee ballot doesn't also come through (i.e., make sure you only get one vote).

The witness thing is easy enough if you know another human being, though. I didn't like it at first, but it's just a signature, not a huge deal.

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fusion260 t1_iu4lw3s wrote

So you got your ballot in the mail, read the instructions, managed to find and read the law on LIS, and already know you need a witness to sign it when you posted this.

When you vote in person, multiple election workers are there to confirm you're there by taking your ID, having you repeat what's on your ID to confirm your voter registration and your ID match*, they then repeat that back to you when checking you into the system and handing back your ID. Then, you get a receipt to hand to another election worker who hands you a ballot and keeps the receipt to be scanned, and then that ballot is scanned in and stored until Election Day when the vote is recorded. Everything is linked up for that vote against your voter registration with a chain of custody.

They can't do that when you do a mail-in ballot, so the witness is standing in for the election workers. Basically, you and your witness (who can literally be anyone) are attesting to the fact that someone else did not vote for you through an honor-based system of illegible signatures that generally mean nothing but can absolutely be challenged by poll watchers (not election workers).

Your most reliable bet is to vote in person and leave the witnessing to the election workers.

So, what's the question again?

*If none of this matches or they can't find your registration for any reason, you're provided a provisional ballot that requires additional reviews and possibly additional verifications you absolutely must do during the "curing" process. A curing process also exists for mail-in ballots if they're challenged by a poll watcher and extra reviews are needed. If you don't follow those extra steps in time, your vote isn't counted.

Edit: grammar and context

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rhaphido t1_iu4bunx wrote

You can still early vote in person. Process was very quick and painless.

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