Submitted by Own_Potential8144 t3_10l4btw in rva
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chasetwisters t1_j5vhyt1 wrote
Yep. The Barnes Dance, also known as the Pedestrian Scramble. It typically allows for diagonal crossings as well which I think would make a ton of sense around VCU.
ananthropolothology t1_j5wn0v4 wrote
Northampton, MA has the scramble with diagonal crosswalks and it's so smart in a college town.
jodyhighrola t1_j5v8ehg wrote
Will never work here. Drivers simply do not care and don't stop unless they feel like it.
You'd need a massive concrete wall to automatically erect on each side of the crosswalk. Even then, cars will just smash into it and then get mad at the pedestrians.
ActuallyRobbie t1_j5w5w4a wrote
Because so many people believe that our streets are for cars. In fact, streets are for people, some of whom are in cars.
rhaphido t1_j5vzrqu wrote
It’s not just drivers. The pedestrians act like idiots over there. I’ve seen some dumb shit at that number 2 intersection. I had two girls run into the middle of it to pet my dog when I was on the OTHER side of Broad from them, without checking for traffic once. That was my first FB live encounter.
The amount of people that try to cross Broad there without checking for traffic is baffling.
And all the food delivery drivers who park in the middle of an active lane and just throw their flashers on don’t help.
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The_GOATest1 t1_j5vdddm wrote
You’re being a hit hyperbolic don’t you think? I’ve seen drivers who don’t have a care in the world but seeing people run red lights casually is still fairly rare
Own_Potential8144 OP t1_j5vg2j5 wrote
Idk about you but Ive seen a lot of people run reds here
The_GOATest1 t1_j5vgupa wrote
I’m not talking about the knuckle heads that try to fly past yellows that are really reds. I’m talking about they pull into an intersection it’s red and they act like it wasn’t. I’ve seen it a hand full of times especially in the area being discussed
Chickenmoons t1_j5w0chp wrote
Are you new here? Is this a prank? I’ve seen folks blow reds in front of cops and nothing happened. I’ve seen cops run red lights, people are increasingly running stale reds, like not even paying attention while texting and not even slowing down through a stale red. It’s insane.
The_GOATest1 t1_j5w4w8o wrote
Maybe I’m just driving in the wrong part of time. It’s definitely rare in my experience
Kamesod t1_j5v0dap wrote
They got those random ass ped crossings in between lights on broad. Are cars supposed to stop for those? NONE of them do. It would be unwise for a pedestrian to assume cars stop at those. What's the deal?!
ImpoliteArchitect t1_j5v7171 wrote
yes. cars are supposed to stop at those.
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noodleypotato t1_j5v0ofc wrote
Every intersection on Semmes Ave should be included. There’s basically an accident every 2 days
Maximum_Landscape387 t1_j5vb7w2 wrote
And Roanoke & Midlo there is an accident there every week
Asterion7 t1_j5yl8uy wrote
Roanoake and forest hill is bad also.
thorlord16 t1_j5wrx81 wrote
Or Hull and Commerce. The number of times I've seen emergency lights there while coming home is astronomical, let alone all the accidents that don't require EMT or police
Asterion7 t1_j5yl6t1 wrote
As usual they forgot about southside.
SaltyBarDog t1_j5zcfcj wrote
Courthouse and Hull Street?
JudoMoose t1_j65n3j7 wrote
A pedestrian accident every two days?! That's crazy
dreww4546 t1_j5uleh0 wrote
So, if the city built a few safe ways to cross broad and Belvidere, a lot of these would be eliminated.
Hopefully the city will paint the crosswalks a cool color that compliments the red pulse lanes. I vote Green.
Own_Potential8144 OP t1_j5umpep wrote
It would be helpful to create crosswalk buttons/signs that actually do something. There are too many crosswalk signs that tell pedestrians to walk at the same time drivers get green lights to turn. It would be better if they either create warning lights like HAWK beacons, or if the timing made more sense
rdt69420 t1_j5unzi0 wrote
The amount of times I’ve been honked at by a dumbass driver that thinks they have the right of way because their light is green when I have the “green” light to walk is insane. It should go without saying that a vehicle is to yield to pedestrians, but sadly it don’t be like that.
Own_Potential8144 OP t1_j5uobri wrote
The more they honk, the slower I walk.
CrassostreaVirginica t1_j5vamxa wrote
Thank you for your activism.
Asterion7 t1_j5ylexf wrote
They should make right turn on reds illegal in the city. They will never do that. And even if they did they wouldn't enforce it. Drivers turning right never look for pedestrians, they usually look the other way to make sure a car isn't coming and don't look at the crosswalk at all.
ImmobilizedbyCheese t1_j5yom0z wrote
I make a point to look for people and bikes. Even on Main and Cary I look the opposite direction to look up the sidewalk before pulling up to block a crossing to turn or cross.
TheRapidTrailblazer t1_j6f5o8y wrote
I'm not trying to defend the driver here, but I do find it frustrating and unsafe that both the driver and the pedestrian have a green light at the same time. I would rather wait an extra 30 seconds at the light than to be afraid of hitting someone.
Et-selec t1_j5wtm93 wrote
I think people honk just to get pedestrians to walk faster, not cus they think they have the right of way. Still rude lol
pizzatongs t1_j5unkp0 wrote
There are a few of them in the city, but the pedestrian signals should change to WALK a few seconds ahead of the green light. (https://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/ped_bike/step/resources/docs/fhwasa19040.pdf)
PayneTrainSG t1_j5vj4h9 wrote
I think main and cary onto belvidere have this feature, but it should be the default
lame_gaming t1_j5v47k9 wrote
because in america we need big flashing lights to get drivers to stop for pedestrians… sigh
EmbarrassedScheme357 t1_j5vd1lh wrote
I can’t stand when people don’t yield to pedestrians while making a right turn. The amount of times I’ve almost been run over at Broad / Belvidere
ninjetron t1_j5x78xb wrote
They need the tubes from Futurama.
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Reasonable-Newt-8102 t1_j5v5t1h wrote
None of this is surprising and yet nobody’s going to do anything
jodyhighrola t1_j5v8o0u wrote
America, defined.
airquotesNotAtWork t1_j5v8p1j wrote
Man, all of main St in the bottom is terrifying as a pedestrian. I would have thought 21st would be worse though, I’ve seen a ton of cars flipped after being hit there
SnowWhitesBox t1_j5w7eqy wrote
Was also surprised that it was 24th and not 21st. But, no light at 24th and people leaving the grocery store/CVS constantly.
Would like to add that after living in the bottom it can be pretty terrifying as a driver too
pennroyalk t1_j5vmf8r wrote
I live by that intersection and was kind of surprised it wasn’t on there. I’ve heard some many wrecks in the past 2 years it hardly surprises me anymore
geneb0322 t1_j5w0cwr wrote
I used to live at that 21st and Main intersection and really expected it to be on this list.. I was there from 2015 to 2018 and I recall at least 3 that I saw with my own eyes and figured that I wasn't around for several more. I'm very surprised that there wasn't more than 6 between 2015 and 2022.
Edit: Nevermind, I looked at the image better and see that these are crashes involving pedestrians... I don't specifically recall anything happening with pedestrians there, though I certainly would require more than my two hands to count the close calls I personally had as a pedestrian.
airquotesNotAtWork t1_j5w9fi5 wrote
Yeah. Now that I see this is a list for places where pedestrians are it 100% makes sense for 24th and main. Pulse stop. There’s been so many times where I’ve seen close calls there while getting on/off the pulse. E.g. get off the westbound station, someone turns west on main from 25th and takes off, person getting off the pulse crossing main at 24th, can’t see the oncoming car because of the bus and bam, close call at best.
lame_gaming t1_j5v55se wrote
i have a radical solution: slow the cars down so their not killing people!
Own_Potential8144 OP t1_j5v9m7s wrote
Agree. Fewer or no car should be the goal tbh
PhuncleSam t1_j5w0n5o wrote
Smaller cars would also be beneficial. SUVs and trucks have gotten ridiculously big.
airquotesNotAtWork t1_j5w8ica wrote
They’re kid killers anymore
PhuncleSam t1_j5wntud wrote
They’re full grown adult killers at this point
ImmobilizedbyCheese t1_j5yoxep wrote
And you can't see around them when they're parked and they always pull up past the stop bar at intersections forcing a no turn on red. "But I need this to haul a couch once every 10 years" or "I like sitting up high so I can see around me." Yeah fucker, and then you make it impossible for people in normal sized cars to see anything.
OddWelcome2502 t1_j5zo11z wrote
and then they all want to live in the city and park on the street. I lived on Floyd across from Binford and there was a giant, massive truck that took up the same space as 3 compact cars, and also blocked some of the regular driving lane.
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CBassTian t1_j5wa8ef wrote
>Willow Lawn Dr. & W Broad St.
There's not even a crosswalk on the East side across W Broad St at Willow Lawn Dr. and that's where the Pulse ends and passengers have to transfer for travel to destinations further west. I know theres one on the other side but seems like many people will risk it.
WarmTaffy t1_j5wgnhh wrote
I take that route occasionally and many riders do indeed risk it.
Top-Painting-1301 t1_j5yisow wrote
I live close to here. Crossing at Willow Lawn and Monument is really scary too! I’ve been crossing when it’s legal to cross and had drivers lay on their horns to the point I almost jumped out of my damn skin. Ridiculous.
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OddWelcome2502 t1_j5znn8n wrote
I believe a pedestrian was killed here just before Christmas.
CBassTian t1_j601gr4 wrote
Oh wow, that's tragic. Didn't even make the news! West Broad west of Staples Mill is a massive stroad. I won't cross most intersections there due to lack of crosswalk.
OddWelcome2502 t1_j602pj9 wrote
it was right near the Chik Fil A. I can only hope they got one last nugget. Joking, but not really. Chik Fil A should have paid for a cross walk. They know the lengths people are willing to go to get that peanut oil goodness.
CBassTian t1_j60ovzn wrote
If they're truly "good Christians", they should provide a better path to the restaurant but really it's the Richmond DOT's duty to provide better pedestrian infrastructure.
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Own_Potential8144 OP t1_j5uzb0o wrote
Can we talk about how insane it is that there’s a crosswalk on a 95 on-ramp on Broad near MCV? I wonder how many med students have been plowed down there. Serious need for a pedestrian bridge there.
3FoxInATrenchcoat t1_j5vb968 wrote
Oh ya know, they put a big mirror there so the pedestrians and cars can see each other so problem solved!
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And then on the other side of the coin it causes long backs down Broad and causes frustration, swerving in and out, and cutting off drivers ahead who are trying to slow down and stop to let pedestrians cross. VCU has plenty of fucking money they can and should build a pedestrian overpass or tunnel and work with the City and VDOT (who are literally across the street looking at this) on a viable solution…yesterday.
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Round_Calligrapher79 t1_j5yto50 wrote
What would be really awesome would be rebuilding the bridge that apparently used to exist on Marshall Street and making it for pedestrians and bikes only. Seems like a perfect solution, but it looks like that path has been obstructed by a building. Maybe that could still work out as a simple pedestrian bridge for people going to and from the MCV campus though, which does seem to be the origin of most of the foot traffic.
bozatwork t1_j5uyhrz wrote
When I worked in Shockoe and used the deck by 14th Street, it was a regular occurrence to dodge a car looking left while turning right on red. A coworker was hit and hospitalized too. Of course this was nearly 20 years ago now, but I see nothing has changed.
FrankieMunizOfficial t1_j5wq3u1 wrote
Awful. We have known for ~50 years that right on red is incredibly dangerous, it should not be legal anywhere
bkemp1984Part2 t1_j5uobtc wrote
If you're heading west in the Franklin St bike lane and want to go down Grace after crossing Belvidere, since the bike lane ends and Franklin is a one way eastward, it sucks. Just trying to go west from there in general is "fun". The Main St to Broad corridor on Belvidere brings out the crazy and two of these intersections are on the list.
tepppp t1_j5wvbgx wrote
The drivers turning left from Franklin onto Belvidere would much rather run me over than let me peacefully ride my bike in the designated green painted cycle lane there. Love some 'I just nearly died following the law' adrenaline on my daily commute
danadane1419 t1_j5utjx9 wrote
Willow Lawn and W Broad is a hood ornament waiting to happen. Too many people hopping off buses and not looking
lycosid t1_j5uwcz8 wrote
Surprised and skeptical that none of these are in Southside
augie_wartooth t1_j5v0ope wrote
Same. There seem to be an awful lot of injuries from pedestrian involved crashes on Midlothian Turnpike between Westover Hills/Belt and Chippenham…
BlannaTorresFanfic t1_j5veeqv wrote
It’s possible that south side just wasn’t included in the stats, but it’s also nowhere near as densely populated or trafficked as VCU or the bottom
kissin_cuzzins t1_j5v8xo3 wrote
Have they seen Bainbridge and Hull or any intersection on Semmes Ave.? This is one map I'm happy to see the southside left off of but def skeptical as to how none of these are listed as some of the worst intersections.
Own_Potential8144 OP t1_j5vapmr wrote
Perhaps they don’t involve pedestrians? That’s what this data is referring to
kissin_cuzzins t1_j5vfpnw wrote
Yea that would make sense. It’s sad to say but I feel like a lot of people who would like to walk have just given up on braving these intersections for fear of getting killed or seriously maimed.
orcawhales t1_j5va2ei wrote
r/fuckcars
turnipmeatloaf t1_j5vemat wrote
Strong Towns recently has an article about the corners at intersections. How they’re large and curved to help cars turn, but this 1) encourages speeding 2) reduces space for pedestrians. Bump outs to forcibly reduce speed at turns would be an effective (yet controversial) solution for accidents caused by right turns
https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2023/1/20/cutting-corners
mydpy t1_j5wca8d wrote
They definitely got #1 correct.
Diet_Coke t1_j5uz2n7 wrote
I've thought about starting a video series of me safely crossing dangerous intersections, thanks for the map.
Own_Potential8144 OP t1_j5v05m1 wrote
Do it! With live monologue!
Seriously I think lawmakers need some firsthand experience walking through parts of this city. Just take one look at what the rest of us deal with everyday
Richmond_Mondo t1_j5wawdg wrote
If anyone heard Bobby Vincent (head of DPW) talking at the 3rd District meeting the other night, they would know with certainty that fuckwit doesn’t care about pedestrians one bit. Car first city for that guy.
TheCheeseDevil t1_j5v26vp wrote
I'm considering filming each time I cross at Roseneath/Broad. I've almost been flattened multiple times by inattentive turners.
Fit-Order-9468 t1_j5vbpjf wrote
I got some hate for this last time, but I don’t understand the need to have every minor road outlet onto the big b streets. Turn some of them into no outlet, with that part of the road becoming a park or parking lot.
All these little nowhere streets are such a waste of land.
SorryDuplex t1_j5vufjh wrote
Is it an intersection in Virginia? It’s dangerous.
Ok-Champion719 t1_j5vhjs0 wrote
This is why at VCU you get 790 crash alerts every hour
marcopolo_12 t1_j5vn246 wrote
How is monument & Sheppard not here? 1 of every 5 cars don’t know how to take a left there
MrBillyRattlelance t1_j5vq20y wrote
It’s not most dangerous by volume but Monument and commonwealth is good for 2 horrific accidents a year
morninglory17717 t1_j5wvqgp wrote
I didn't know this. Be careful out there
gijgctknn t1_j66200u wrote
Woah this did not age well ):
raindeerpie t1_j5vnb2d wrote
oh. so the AP hill intersection isn't the most dangerous then.
Diet_Coke t1_j5vqcnv wrote
Probably not a lot of pedestrians trying to cross right there.
raindeerpie t1_j5z1ax8 wrote
yeah i missed the part about it being only pedestrians. but it's not like no one lives there. if it was really a dangerous intersection than pedestrians would be getting hit too.
Diet_Coke t1_j5z2l7h wrote
It's not a super walkable area though, there aren't a lot of businesses right around that intersection so the only reason to cross it would be if you were walking to someone's house. There's the school too but parents probably aren't letting their kids walk across that intersection to go there either. Look at all the intersections on this map and you will notice they are all in commercial areas.
When you look at car accidents, the intersection of Hermitage and Laburnum is #3 most dangerous (source)
Richmond_Mondo t1_j5waepp wrote
It doesn’t look like that intersection is in the area of focus. But also you’re taking your life into your hands if you try to cross there. Even when the crossing guards are there at Holton arrival and dismissal, I still see some reckless as driving.
But if I remember the conversation on the dangers of the AP Hill intersection correctly, it was around crashes, not pedestrian injury/deaths.
raindeerpie t1_j5z0s1k wrote
it includes an intersection at willow lawn that is not in the area of focus. I did overlook this being only pedestrian related accidents though. that could explain it.
Weekly-Eggs t1_j5vz14j wrote
Forgot Sheppard/Monument intersection. I see a crash there at least once a week.
jking94 t1_j5vz7gj wrote
Harrison and Clay is a nightmare for accidents as well
Dripp_e t1_j5wlqzz wrote
I've seen so much sketchy shit happen at 17th and Broad. Including people driving the wrong way.
tepppp t1_j5wx0g4 wrote
I've had the misfortune of being a pedestrian at that intersection many times, people driving there would rather flatten you than wait 5 seconds for you to cross
FattieBanton t1_j5wmnb3 wrote
Any stats on Gaskins & Broad over in Henrico?
stalepreserves t1_j65b7c0 wrote
A VCU student died this morning crossing at Laurel and West Main
TheRapidTrailblazer t1_j6f6kp2 wrote
It was so sad hearing that. Later that night I was driving home from an event and they put a crosswalk guard there, like where was this before the accident?! Fearing for my life everytime I'm walking/bussing to class.
Dream_Of_Chocolate t1_j5wna64 wrote
Kinda surprised hull st is not top 10
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gorerc t1_j5xd9yg wrote
Got T Boned going north on Harrison when someone ran the red light on broad, on their phone, and she didn’t even have her license with her when cops arrived on scene. My only accident I’ve ever been in, so I guess I’m one of the 12😂
ahhmygosh t1_j5y2j6p wrote
A girl in a red Volkswagen literally slammed into my car at the stop light between w franklin and Belvedere yesterday because she wasn’t paying attention and going way too fast.. dumb drivers man
tallbabycogs t1_j5y82z6 wrote
When I worked down there over ten years ago I actually saw someone get hit by a car at Cary and 14th.
CountryFriedQuinoa t1_j5zd64z wrote
Ahh. Ole intersection 8. Old office had a view of it. Side swipes were a weekly occurrance.
Jealous_Storage_2754 t1_j5zgwpy wrote
So downtown pretty much
Dolphinkush t1_j60dc4o wrote
Parkwood and meadow have crashes constantly
drdeeznuts420 t1_j69algr wrote
23rd and Broad. Give me car crashes and/or give me death
raindeerpie t1_j5vnys9 wrote
so these are crashes over 7 years? only 1 fatality. the worst intersection only had 13 crashes over 7 years. this seams really really low. unless i'm not reading this right we have some really safe driving infrastructure. I'd love to see it compared to other cities or see what they define as an injury.
Own_Potential8144 OP t1_j5vrjhf wrote
These are crashes involving pedestrians.
Also fatalities really shouldnt be our only measuring stick here…
raindeerpie t1_j5z14hs wrote
then what should be? 13 accidents over 7 years is concerning but not alarming. we can definitely improve our cities walkability, but people are dumb. we will never eliminate accidents. someone will always be distracted and either walk into traffic with out looking or drive up on a sidewalk.
DustySleeve t1_j5w1vy0 wrote
Nonono mobs of bikers and 4 wheelers are the problem because they do things different in a way i can be mad at. My often lethal chosen mode of transportation is fine because i do it.
Tbf all those intersections have ass visibility and/or signage and were never properly modernized from high visibility and streetcar times
Skyagunsta21 t1_j5v6zzx wrote
Only 1 fatality? Pretty good for 7 years
Diet_Coke t1_j5vpxv6 wrote
Which of your family members would you sacrifice in exchange for poorly built infrastructure?
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pizzatongs t1_j5vg0s1 wrote
Jaywalking doesn't exist. It was literally created by the automobile industry. https://www.vox.com/2015/1/15/7551873/jaywalking-history
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lame_gaming t1_j5v4n28 wrote
mb. ill walk a quarter of a mile to the light, wait two minutes, and walk another quarter of a mile
PayneTrainSG t1_j5uvaix wrote
How many of these involve the terrorist sect known as the broad street bullies?
dalbach77 t1_j5unlku wrote
The VCU area intersections could use the all red light and white ped crossing in every direction. Might be called a pedestrian scramble in the world of road engineering.