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xRVAx t1_j65kaqb wrote
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Christians happen to be some of the most pro adoption people I have ever met. Just saying.
WompWompIt t1_j665nhp wrote
It's unchristian to harass people. What would Jesus do?
xRVAx t1_j668ppf wrote
Jesus lovingly confronted people with the truth even if they didn't like it. He respectfully called the religious experts to the carpet and lovingly told the adulteress to "go and sin no more"
I agree with you that the protestors shouldn't harass people but not everyone who stands out in front of the clinics fits that description. Sometimes they just stand there and pray or hold a cardboard sign. It's different groups that all have different backgrounds and tactics even if they have a common desire that people should not get abortions.
Demonstrating on the sidewalk is not my style but I understand that's sometimes how social change happens. And it doesn't have to be "harrassful" to be effective.
WompWompIt t1_j66cctp wrote
.... and nowhere in the Bible does it condemn abortion. Try again.
xRVAx t1_j66o35f wrote
I'm not a Biblical scholar (maybe you are?) but I'm pretty sure the Bible does address the issue of forced miscarriages.
Wikipedia does a good job of laying out the different positions in a neutral way ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_abortion#Biblical_passages
Many Christians honestly believe that a fetus is a fully fledged human life. Their conscience drives them to do what they can to try to save human lives. I know you probably disagree, but you should at least acknowledge that if you were in their shoes, you wouldn't "agree to disagree" in the name of tolerance when human lives are at stake.
WompWompIt t1_j67ps67 wrote
the Bible does not address abortion. my best friend has a Mdiv from a very well known university and I trust her over Wikipedia which is open sourced. She has no dog in this fight.
Furthermore, in Judaism which predates Christianity (Jesus's dad ya know) a baby is not a human being until it takes its first breath outside the womb. that means it is religiously legal to kill a baby at any point in a pregnancy. Any. Morally is another story but we are discussing religion and the Bible.
The Bible was written as a sort of guide for people during a time that they were not living close enough to communicate easily between rare social visits. If you had a problem you could find a parable that spoke to your situation. the Bible is not literal. It is a work of fiction.
In the end all religions espouse the same things: be kind. look out for one another. treat people as you wish to be treated. take care of the poor, the weak, children, the elderly. this should be common sense, and no one should need a book to tell you these things. instead the Bible is weaponized to serve the state. Christianity has a bloody trail of terrorism behind it - look at a time line - was originally used to seize power and has never stopped. The latest is controlling half the population's ability to control their own body - women.
Abortion is a human rights issue wearing the sheep skin of christianity.
The true Christians I know don't judge anyone, they help people take care of themselves and they don't give two shits about abortion.
This is the Richmond subreddit not the abortion one so I'm going to stop now.
xRVAx t1_j69b2pu wrote
You talk about how noble it is to defend "the weak, the children" ... I hope you understand that that's exactly what pro-life people think they are doing.
I understand that you and your mainline MDiv friend and some Reformed Jews have a different ontological position about what constitutes a human life... But my conservative MDiv friend and Orthodox Jew friends disagree with you about what a fetus 'is' ... Even if you don't believe in the Bible at all, you might consider that a fetus is a person and be concerned about that life being snuffed out.
WompWompIt t1_j69fywh wrote
I think it is. I also can look further than that, in that it's life is second to the mothers in all circumstances so it's irrelevant. And I've had kids LOL. No question why most abortions are for second or third time mothers. But if we are discussing the Bible and god and religion, it's just not there. Fervor over the unborn is a tool and if you think otherwise you have been sucked right in.
moderatehill t1_j6711ng wrote
Where in the Bible does it say that pastors need to pay for abortions, because our pastor at First Baptist has paid for 2 already this year. Last year I only new of 5 but he went on a missions trip in June and August so I would have to check with the other office.
xRVAx t1_j67466c wrote
I don't really understand your question. It sounds like you are gossiping about your pastor but maybe I'm hearing you wrong.
moderatehill t1_j675idt wrote
I was going to confront my pastor like you had pointed out using scripture but now that I think about it you're right, I shouldn't be gossiping about him spending a portion of the tithing on abortions over the past 8 years.
xRVAx t1_j67ay6d wrote
Again, I can't tell from your tone if you're trying to be ironic. Of course you're supposed to confront a pastor if you think he's doing something wrong, regardless of if you have a chapter/verse Bible citation . Matthew 18 says before you use Reddit to levy wild accusations against someone, you should confront them privately. Obviously i'm paraphrasing. :)
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+18%3A15-17&version=NIV
Have you talked to him directly about this?
moderatehill t1_j69i6dl wrote
About 'killing babies'? Yeah we joke about it all the time, he paid for one of ours too. I know other Christians and church leaders that get them done all the time. Not any of my business tho like you said, simple gossip.
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