The new "district approved" stickers that Hanover teachers have to use because rainbows aren't allowedRefrigeratorRater t1_j5wy8wi wrote
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Does the rainbow include straight people? Real question. I’ve always thought of the rainbow as representing LGBTQ+ ppl. So you would use the rainbow in the context of saying like an event or space is welcoming of them, but IDK if it applies to literally everyone.
blackdragon8577 t1_j5x1g6c wrote
It includes allies. So yeah. It does include everyone except those that don't think LGBTQ+ people should be treated equally.
RefrigeratorRater t1_j5x5odm wrote
Makes sense. Still feels a little weird to have at school if you view it as a battle flag, since school ideally isn’t a battleground the way Twitter or TikTok are. However maybe I’m the odd man out in thinking one doesn’t need to be in battle mode all the time.
lap_doggie t1_j5xdyp5 wrote
A rainbow is not a battle flag at all. Its recognition, freedom, acceptance and so many other things. The only ones viewing it as a battle flag are those that dont believe queer people are valid.
RefrigeratorRater t1_j5yg5cd wrote
What you’re describing is a symbol that carries a lot with it, and when brought to an ideological battleground, is used as battle flag. Maybe poor terminology on my part, but either way, the words on this print out sufficiently state all are welcome, and the rainbow brings a lot with it politically that is best avoided at a school. Same way I wouldn’t want teachers wearing MAGA hats even though the literal words on the hat are fine, the symbolism just stirs people up.
TheStinkySkunk t1_j5yix4c wrote
>the words on this print out sufficiently state all are welcome
If all are welcome why did Hanover seek the ADF's review of policies regarding trans students? Hanover refused to adopt policies that allow a trans student to use the bathroom that aligns with their gender identity. And then they go and seek the opinion of ADF which has goals of "ensuring the law respects God created order for marriage, the family, and human sexuality.”
Are the words enough? No. Not when Hanover is seeking input from a group that doesn't see trans rights as human rights. Not when Hanover's school board has to individually approve which bathroom a trans student can or cannot use.
Edit: I did notice in your original comment you mentioned how you didn't feel the need to be in "battle mode" all the time. I don't know you or your political ideology, but trans people are continually being targeted by Republicans and the alt-right every day.
lap_doggie t1_j5z0tv6 wrote
I understand idealogically what you're saying. However , the words Make America Great Again are actually not fine on their own at all. The words All Are Welcome obviously are fine on their own, as you said, because they dont not recklessly harken to the past.
I think a better comparison would be to say it's like banning the color red because it's also the color of blood/gore. Politicians are actively making a battle out of rainbow 🌈 coloring. Which is so silly and a waste of time because a rainbow also happens to be a useful set of colors in a school ground, whether paired with welcoming words or not.😂
Ditovontease t1_j5y5onf wrote
The only people making it a battle flag are piss baby right wingers who hate gay people
SaltyBarDog t1_j5y6p1i wrote
For an area that had no issue with traitor statues and schools named after bigots for a century, they jumped on this issue pretty quickly.
Lokky t1_j5y88iv wrote
How do you even manage to take a message of equality and acceptance and call it a battle flag, like come on now.
RefrigeratorRater t1_j5ydxqk wrote
It’s used as a way to identify “which side” one is on. Otherwise the words on this print out are sufficient to share the message you mention. The same way the Don’t Tread On Me license plate is a battle flag for tea partiers
Lokky t1_j5ye93l wrote
There are no sides, there is just a bunch of bigots who wish they lived in the bronze age and then there is the rest of us who live in a society.
Kamesod t1_j5yk1xu wrote
Accepting people’s sexual preferences is not picking a side. It’s the neutral, expected way to be. Anything outside of that is just antiquated bigotry that will fade into the abyss in the next few decades.
anthropophagoose t1_j5ykl9b wrote
This is the issue- this isn’t sides on an ideological discussion (no matter how bad folks on the right want to present it as such), the symbol is about recognizing people’s right to be treated as people, plain and simple.
Treating a rainbow flag like it’s representing some kind of special interest group, or even a symbols of “wokeness” is a discursive tactic that makes it seem like a political discussion but it’s really not- its very simply a message that a large spectrum (hence the rainbow) of sexual and gender identities that have a history of discrimination against them are accepted unilaterally and equally as human beings. This shouldn’t even be politicized at this point, let alone seen as a “battle” statement.
jpkoushel t1_j5yq1ux wrote
I know you're getting a lot of replies but I hope you have time to read this.
The reason that it's not a battle flag is because it's inherently not two-sided. If the sides were, "Nobody can be gay" and "Everybody has to be gay", you would have a valid point. However, that's not the case.
Right now the conflict is one side saying, "Nobody can be gay" but the opposition is just saying "It's okay to be gay and you should expect the same respect the rest of society gets by default".
If you're not gay that's fine. Nobody is excluding straight people from anything. People are just asking to be able to show support to a group that's currently and historically been given a hard time just for existing.
RefrigeratorRater t1_j5ywsy7 wrote
I’m of the middle side where I just want people to be free to exist doing whatever but don’t want a political battle happening in school between the sides you mention. The absence of displaying a rainbow is not the absence of support for the meaning behind it, but it feels like that’s how people interpret it.
jpkoushel t1_j5yy5j2 wrote
The side posting flags etc is the middle side. They're the ones saying be gay if you are and don't be if you're not. Nobody is forcing anyone to partake in anything they don't want to
cubeberg t1_j5yru1q wrote
To be clear, "which side" is a choice between "I think people deserve to be treated with respect" vs. "I'm a bigot". This is a "I like pancakes" and "so you hate waffles?" situation.
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