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rjmsci OP t1_j7py4pq wrote

Couldn't fit it in the title, but an interesting factor is that long-term ME/CFS patients had microbiota that looked like that of health controls. But instead they had metabolic alterations in their plasma - suggesting that changes in the microbiota may lead to long-term changes elsewhere. Also, correlation not causation, folks!

Link here: https://www.cell.com/cell-host-microbe/fulltext/S1931-3128(23)00021-5

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DiscrepencyDestroyer t1_j7q101l wrote

Is it easy to get tested for this because I think I need too...

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kalaid0s t1_j7q3vej wrote

Stool test. There are ones you can send in by mail

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DiscrepencyDestroyer t1_j7q44yy wrote

Thank you I'm sorry for pawning the question off like this. I probably could have done the research. Just nice to hear from someone who already knows

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Potential_Limit_9123 t1_j7qknz0 wrote

Don't get too excited. There are many problems with those, including if you test from 2 different locations you get 2 results; test from same location but send to 2 companies, you get 2 results; the actual biome may not be the same as your results.

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kalaid0s t1_j7tx7gz wrote

I advice you see an internist regarding your issues and they can then give you instructions which test is best to take, as there are a lot of different markers you can test for.

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AntiTas t1_j7tdwug wrote

or just assume the gut flora is problematic and serve up people a course of poo transplants and conducive dietary changes.

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Throwway123452 t1_j7t5n8v wrote

I need this test as well, I miss being as active as I used to be. I have a home gym but I simply just don't seem to have the energy anymore to do anything in it even if I try.

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Malalang t1_j7q258d wrote

I'm convinced that scientists will eventually determine all disease comes from some form of bacterial imbalance in the gut or elsewhere in the body. But it will also be explained away because drugs provide better support to the monetary system long term than fixing the actual problem.

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CHRLZ_IIIM t1_j7qdjoz wrote

And all the research that shows our artificial toxic environments, we created clearly effects our biological systems it’s just common sense that our biome is responsible for our condition.

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Malalang t1_j7qklul wrote

Toxins, in general, can be filtered out by healthy organs. Overwhelming amounts of toxins obviously overwhelm the natural systems and cause tissue breakdown.

The thing about imbalances in the microbiome is that toxins produced by bad bacteria on a constant basis inside the body become overwhelming.

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Malalang t1_j7qko0q wrote

Toxins, in general, can be filtered out by healthy organs. Overwhelming amounts of toxins obviously overwhelm the natural systems and cause tissue breakdown.

The thing about imbalances in the microbiome is that toxins produced by bad bacteria on a constant basis inside the body become overwhelming.

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Fixing_The_World t1_j87p6oj wrote

An amazingly large portion of cancer, autoimmunity (diabetes 1, arthritis, MS, ect), and neurodegenerative diseases are linked to viruses.

Some of this is also linked to bacteria as well. However, it actually seems viruses may be the worse of the two.

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Malalang t1_j880ahd wrote

Yeah, I know at least 2 people that got their hearts destroyed by a virus.

Aren't there bacteria strains that kill viruses?

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Fixing_The_World t1_j881zzj wrote

Yeah viruses are really nasty. Some will yes to protect their host which is really cool. Look up the term virovore. It is really cool and I think the next breakthrough in antivirals.

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RareCodeMonkey t1_j7too50 wrote

>all disease comes from some form of bacterial imbalance

We know that not all diseases come from bacterial imbalance. There are, for example, viruses that cause diseases.

But it seems an important topic that it has not yet been used in practical terms. I hope that more studies like this bring tests and treatments.

I also hope that monetary incentives help and not hamper this kind of studies.

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Glitz-1958 t1_j7qhknj wrote

I am the Ancient Mariner.

We're over 20 years in. Probably too late to for us to tell. However, anyone reading this DON'T do what we did and try to carry on as normal, or keep up social engagements, or doing things that would be enjoyable but require efforts.

Convalescence, the real thing, in adequate doses, is still the best thing to give the body's systems time and energy to mend. Sensible everything. Diet, sleep, everything. Relapses multiply the problems. Other things get broken along the way.

Its like looking after your teeth, later is too late. listen to your body. If you're not normally a lazy person it's unlikely you've suddenly turned into one.

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Throwawy98064 t1_j7rkkkz wrote

So what do we do about this?!

I see new studies/articles every day attributing common diseases to poor gut flora. But I see almost nothing about ways in which this can be remedied?

Yes, eat healthy. Eat probiotics/prebiotics. What if that’s not working?

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