farox t1_j8dupwp wrote on February 13, 2023 at 4:09 PM

It's not just about death, but long covid as well and transmission.

So far the benefits outweigh the risks in any cohort, to my understanding.

phred14 t1_j8dy3fm wrote on February 13, 2023 at 4:31 PM

I was wondering this, too. Are you aware of studies quantifying vaccination vs long Covid?

Mkwdr t1_j8eibmc wrote on February 13, 2023 at 6:49 PM

If of interest…

>Overall, vaccination was associated with reduced risks or odds of long-COVID,

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(22)00354-6/fulltext

> A new study, published today in The BMJ, suggests that COVID-19 vaccines may significantly reduce the impact of pre-existing long COVID symptoms.

https://www.ndph.ox.ac.uk/news/covid-vaccine-long-covid

phred14 t1_j8fcbag wrote on February 13, 2023 at 10:03 PM

Thanks for some references.

farox t1_j8e364s wrote on February 13, 2023 at 5:07 PM

I'd have to look for it. But I do vaguely remember that vaccines were at least considered as treatment for it. No idea what came out of that.

Generallyawkward1 t1_j8e14pw wrote on February 13, 2023 at 4:51 PM

Long covid is what’s making me worry. A lot of people don’t realise that the origin virus did massive damage to the immune system, especially in people with moderate to low health.

Th3LastRebel t1_j8edu84 wrote on February 13, 2023 at 6:20 PM

I don't think it's the immune system itself that is the big problem, The information that we have so far suggests that mitochondrial impact is more significant when it comes to us long haulers. (The immune system is important but doesn't always recognize threats until it is too late and/or can also overreact.) Mitochondrial impact might not be as immediately evident as the symptoms created by the body's immune response.

Covid-19 (which is the name of the initial SARS variant) absolutely wrecked and/or destroyed a notable account of lives and significantly affected a good number of others. (I'm one of them.)

The majority of us who have the worse long haul symptoms appear to have been exposed prior to a vaccination being available. This stands to reason that one of the reasons many of us long haulers catch it even after vaccinated is because our Mitochondria is already impacted and I theorize that it is sort of like having the door kicked in...

For some viruses, the door isn't destroyed and is bolstered in time...so it takes a few hits but is made stronger. Or you have ones like the Measles that essentially removes the entire door AND makes the new doors out of cheaper material...

For Covid 19, its more like that for some of us, the door is still there but was pretty battered and had cracks in it...we can ADD defenses and repair the door after the fact but it won't be as good as that original door was before it got kicked in.

And when it comes to immune response, that repaired door is good at keeping most crap out, but crap that makes its way through anyways heads right for the Mitochondria and continues to screw with us.

Generallyawkward1 t1_j8ehf6j wrote on February 13, 2023 at 6:43 PM

Very well said. That’s a good way to view what’s happening

BuckTheFuckNaked t1_j8hwccl wrote on February 14, 2023 at 1:00 PM

This is totally out of left field, but I wonder if muscling up could possibly help with that particular issue? Muscle mass increase increases the total number of mitochondria. Again, total conjecture I’m spewing.