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bluntologist1291 t1_j94stui wrote

This is a serious problem that is not taken seriously enough


foxxytroxxy t1_j95apgm wrote

For what purpose, though? Don't we have enough farms? Why not invest in ecotourism, Brazil?

sends an angry gaze at capitalism


gojiberrytea34 t1_j95tdd5 wrote

While Brazil bears responsibility, let's not forget that what is mined or produced there is for global supply chains. So fostering due diligence in supply chains, regulations, etc should be done by the recipient countries as well.


gojiberrytea34 t1_j95trrv wrote

While I agree with the sentiment, it is mostly not poor people who are doing this. Sure, often they are used as pawns to start the clearing, but some big miners and landowners, as well as companies, are the ones profiting.


EpsomHorse t1_j96fdgc wrote

> Better policing and policy is great and all but if poor people are still poor left with no other way to better themselves what else do you expect is going to happen? With no other option people will exploit local natural resources to better themselves.

You're thinking like a WEIRDo - western, educated, industrialized, rich and democratic.

Almost all of the inhabitants of the Amazon are uncontacted or barely contacted indigenous peoples who don't share a single one of your values or aspirations. They largely live today as their ancestors lived in the stone age and they are quite content to do so. This means they live in small bands of no more than a couple hundred, build transitory shelters that they use for no more than a year or two, hunt and gather for food, and then move on to greener forest. The damage they cause to the environment self-heals in a couple years, and so their lifestyle is sustainable.

They do not premise their lives on infinite growth and accumulation, the core requirements of capitalism. They do not exploit resources more than is necessary to live their lives.

The Amazon needs nothing more to thrive than to be left alone by Brazilians and other western neighbors.


EpsomHorse t1_j96g276 wrote

> When you have few opportunities a job is a job even if long tern that job ends up being bad for you and your family. You still do what you have to.

True but irrelevant. The poor, shirtless peasants of Brazil do not have access to the bulldozers and chainsaws necessary to cut down the Amazon, the massive trucks required to drag out trees, the markets to sell them in, nor the mercenaries needed to murder the indigenous people who live there.

The rape of the Amazon is being driven by Brazil's rapacious oligarch scum. The poor they employ to do some of the dirty work are mere pawns.


snellickers t1_j97hc4f wrote

With the world’s population over 8 billion and still climbing, we have no chance at fixing this. Zero.

The decision not to take overpopulation seriously in the 1970s doomed us as much as anything.

Overpopulation is hopelessness.


lookn2-eb t1_j9cidgi wrote

Yeah, no. Warmer temperatures lead to increased rainfall, not less, which is why you are seeing deserts retreating, around the world. COLDER temperatures would lead to the savannization of many forests.


blackluck64 t1_j9e418z wrote

In time the entire planet will exist to support just one species. We'll end up killing off most of our only companions on possibly the only inhabitable planet for complex life in the galaxy. And most people seem just fine with that.