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Biosphere_Collapse OP t1_ja0326b wrote

Plain language summary:

The study found that Chinese people have a good understanding of climate change and its causes, and think it is important to take action to address it. They mainly view the government, especially the central government, as being responsible for doing this, and support policy measures like carbon taxes and cap and trade. Additionally, individuals are willing to take action themselves.


RedditFuckedHumanity t1_ja0ad21 wrote

All of the global super polluters have sold this idea that an individual can help save the planet

They've played you and people who believe such a claim are morons.


pittopottamus t1_ja0w15j wrote

Individuals can definitely help. But those efforts will be useless if meaningful policy change targeting the big dogs doesn’t also happen


Chii t1_ja1hzn8 wrote

> meaningful policy change targeting the big dogs doesn’t also happen

not disagree, but any policy that costs more (such as carbon capture) would mean the costs passed down to the eventual consumers.

So ultimately, individuals bear the cost. What is needed is for policy to ensure all externalities are accounted for and paid for, and this requires gov't intervention.


Twisted_Cabbage t1_ja16xka wrote

What is needed is degrowth.


Infinite-Review-9987 t1_ja20ynt wrote

No, what is needed is eliminating the profit motive. Degrowth is just another individual responsibility myth sold to you by corporations. Like recycling.


No-Level-346 t1_ja4a5s4 wrote

>No, what is needed is eliminating the profit motive.

Why? We have real life examples of non profit economic systems and they didn't particularly care about the environment.


Chalkarts t1_ja1uc4i wrote

Depopulation would be pretty awesome too.


LineOfInquiry t1_ja24rw8 wrote

Let’s not do ecofascism please


Chalkarts t1_ja3fppl wrote

But the ecosystem would love it. It’d be the biggest thing to happen to trees since the Amazon was set on fire to make room for farmland.


LineOfInquiry t1_ja4ixif wrote

The problem is not overpopulation. It’s how we use resources. We have the resources to safely support 10-12 billion people currently. The problem is that they aren’t spread out equally, and are wasted on frivolous or unnecessary things (eg single use plastics). I’m all for people having less kids, but forcing them to or killing people is not the answer. After all, we care about climate change first and for foremost for the negative impact it has on humans. We’re part of the environment, when the environment is hurt we are too.


eheisse87 t1_ja48h3i wrote

Cool. Maybe you should start with yourself?


Chalkarts t1_ja4h1of wrote

I’m child free. Same thing.


FwibbFwibb t1_ja94rla wrote

So only parents should start killing themselves? What?


Chalkarts t1_ja95gjm wrote

Who said anything about killing anyone? Just don’t have kids. If people were responsible and being childfree were normalized instead of shunned, We’d be down by a few billion in a generation. Making more modern societal consumers on purpose is selfish and irresponsible.

You don’t have to kill anyone to depopulate. Just stop breeding.


undothatbutton t1_ja2qzqj wrote

One individual is a drop in the bucket but like, believing consumers are powerless when we vote with our money everyday is pretty naïve...


RedditFuckedHumanity t1_ja46apq wrote

You're one of those morons.


undothatbutton t1_ja5hv80 wrote

Ah yes, consumers have no buying power. That’s why we are constantly marketed to. Because the companies spending millions upon millions upon millions on ads directed at us don’t want our money or buying power.


RedditFuckedHumanity t1_ja85v9k wrote

You're being sold false power. A false ability. The Chinese, Indian and Russian governments themselves can make actual change. Not individuals.


droi86 t1_ja3v1q5 wrote

Pretty sure you can say the same about most countries, it's a debate only for idiots at this point