RedditFuckedHumanity t1_ja0ad21 wrote
Reply to comment by Biosphere_Collapse in Public opinion on climate change in China from two national surveys: findings suggest that Chinese people have a fairly high awareness of the existence and anthropogenic causes of climate change by Biosphere_Collapse
All of the global super polluters have sold this idea that an individual can help save the planet
They've played you and people who believe such a claim are morons.
pittopottamus t1_ja0w15j wrote
Individuals can definitely help. But those efforts will be useless if meaningful policy change targeting the big dogs doesn’t also happen
Chii t1_ja1hzn8 wrote
> meaningful policy change targeting the big dogs doesn’t also happen
not disagree, but any policy that costs more (such as carbon capture) would mean the costs passed down to the eventual consumers.
So ultimately, individuals bear the cost. What is needed is for policy to ensure all externalities are accounted for and paid for, and this requires gov't intervention.
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16billionDeadEyes t1_ja1cgky wrote
It's not happening.
pittopottamus t1_ja1gacj wrote
it will eventually. how many die before that happens? who knows
Twisted_Cabbage t1_ja16xka wrote
What is needed is degrowth.
Infinite-Review-9987 t1_ja20ynt wrote
No, what is needed is eliminating the profit motive. Degrowth is just another individual responsibility myth sold to you by corporations. Like recycling.
No-Level-346 t1_ja4a5s4 wrote
>No, what is needed is eliminating the profit motive.
Why? We have real life examples of non profit economic systems and they didn't particularly care about the environment.
Chalkarts t1_ja1uc4i wrote
Depopulation would be pretty awesome too.
LineOfInquiry t1_ja24rw8 wrote
Let’s not do ecofascism please
Chalkarts t1_ja3fppl wrote
But the ecosystem would love it. It’d be the biggest thing to happen to trees since the Amazon was set on fire to make room for farmland.
LineOfInquiry t1_ja4ixif wrote
The problem is not overpopulation. It’s how we use resources. We have the resources to safely support 10-12 billion people currently. The problem is that they aren’t spread out equally, and are wasted on frivolous or unnecessary things (eg single use plastics). I’m all for people having less kids, but forcing them to or killing people is not the answer. After all, we care about climate change first and for foremost for the negative impact it has on humans. We’re part of the environment, when the environment is hurt we are too.
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eheisse87 t1_ja48h3i wrote
Cool. Maybe you should start with yourself?
Chalkarts t1_ja4h1of wrote
I’m child free. Same thing.
FwibbFwibb t1_ja94rla wrote
So only parents should start killing themselves? What?
Chalkarts t1_ja95gjm wrote
Who said anything about killing anyone? Just don’t have kids. If people were responsible and being childfree were normalized instead of shunned, We’d be down by a few billion in a generation. Making more modern societal consumers on purpose is selfish and irresponsible.
You don’t have to kill anyone to depopulate. Just stop breeding.
undothatbutton t1_ja2qzqj wrote
One individual is a drop in the bucket but like, believing consumers are powerless when we vote with our money everyday is pretty naïve...
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RedditFuckedHumanity t1_ja46apq wrote
You're one of those morons.
undothatbutton t1_ja5hv80 wrote
Ah yes, consumers have no buying power. That’s why we are constantly marketed to. Because the companies spending millions upon millions upon millions on ads directed at us don’t want our money or buying power.
RedditFuckedHumanity t1_ja85v9k wrote
You're being sold false power. A false ability. The Chinese, Indian and Russian governments themselves can make actual change. Not individuals.
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