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Meatrition t1_je2tn8e wrote

International scientists, including an Australian, looked at health records for more than 125,000 people in the UK, and found a healthy vegan diet was linked to lower risk of heart disease, cancer and premature death, compared with non-vegan diets. However, vegans who drank more sugary drinks and fruit juices, and ate more snacks, desserts, refined grains and potatoes had a higher risk of these conditions and premature death than non-vegans. Although this type of study cannot show a healthy vegan diet actually caused the improvements in health outcomes, the authors recommend people concerned about chronic disease adopt a plant-based diet that's low in animal products, sugary drinks, snacks and desserts, refined grains, potatoes, and fruit juices.

Hmm so omnivore eating refined grains and sugar probably has the same issues. Not really sure what this has to do with meat consumption.

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Hob_O_Rarison t1_je307op wrote

So, isn't this just measuring a particular brand of healthy diet against ALL diets containing animal products (healthy and unhealthy)?

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Meatrition t1_je30fu8 wrote

Yeah but I wonder if they looked at or had a population that was say only eating animal products without any of the junk food listed above, and if that would have similar risk reductions. I looked at the food intake in the pdf and animal foods were higher in those who ate the most junk food. However they used a plant based health score and didn't make a model where meat could be healthy.

Plant-based diets are considered to be beneficial for planetary health.7,37 In addition, healthful PBDs are largely compatible with dietary recommendations for the prevention of chronic diseases across the globe,38 including those for a planetary health diet by the EAT-Lancet Commission on Food, Planet, Health.39 Our results provide further evidence to substantiate that PBD quality may be essential for individual health—that is, that PBDs are not beneficial per se and can even be detrimental to health depending on their composition. Interestingly, although we observed that the hPDI was associated with a lower risk of mortality, CVD, and cancer, we found no associations with hemorrhagic stroke and fracture. The latter have been reported to be more common among participants in the European Prospective Investigation Into Cancer and Nutrition (EPIC)-Oxford cohort who consumed a vegetarian or vegan diet,40,41 who have otherwise lower cardiometabolic disease risk.42 Our findings suggest that a healthful flexitarian type of PBD including lower amounts of animal foods may protect against such potential adverse effects of vegan or vegetarian diets.

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HelenEk7 t1_je3zmgr wrote

> However, vegans who drank more sugary drinks and fruit juices, and ate more snacks, desserts, refined grains and potatoes had a higher risk of these conditions and premature death than non-vegans.

So better to be a unhealthy non-vegan than a unhealthy vegan?

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nyet-marionetka t1_je4fqvu wrote

Sounds like they lumped all non-vegan diets together there, so looking at the average healthiness non-vegan diet.

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HelenEk7 t1_je4hb1e wrote

I took a closer look and they say:

"The findings of this cohort study of 126 394 middle-aged adults from the UK suggest that a healthful PBD was associated with lower risks of CVD, cancer, and total mortality. On the contrary, a plant-based dietary pattern characterized by higher intakes of sugary drinks, snacks and desserts, refined grains, potatoes, and fruit juices was associated with higher risk." https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2802814

So they seem to conclude that a healthy vegan diet is healthier than the average British diet. But a unhealthy vegan diet is less healthy than the average British diet. But Brits in general eat a very unhealthy diet, so this is not saying much in my opinion. Other than if you choose to eat a unhealthy diet, being 100% plant-based is probably a very bad idea..

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nyet-marionetka t1_je4i0v5 wrote

I bet if you’re eating an unhealthy vegan diet you are probably not paying adequate attention to vitamin B12 and essential amino acids, so probably so.

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