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MrBubbles226 t1_irtxk8t wrote

Weren't the dark triads personality traits debunked as primarily abuse survivor indicators?


SinVerguenza04 t1_iruk0qr wrote

Meh, that doesn’t sound right. One of my best friends is a diagnosed APD. According to him, he didn’t endure any real childhood abuse. He told me once that he felt that it was 70% nature and 30% nurture.


MrBubbles226 t1_irukt1s wrote

No offense, but just one person's "feelings" of themself are useful, but not objective.

I found the article:


SinVerguenza04 t1_irukzt8 wrote

I get that, it’s definitely anecdotal!


MrBubbles226 t1_irun8ua wrote

It's somewhat comforting that it's 30% nurture in their opinion even if it's just one data point. Gives me hope for other people who are caught up in that cycle.


SinVerguenza04 t1_irunh2e wrote

Yeah, but I should say while he wasn’t sexually or physically abused, he did raise himself as a parent died when he was 5, and the other one went back to school and then worked all the time. So, he basically raised himself. I guess that could be considered abuse in some way.


MrBubbles226 t1_irunqe6 wrote

Definitely neglect at least. Neglect and abuse cause damage in similar ways.


SinVerguenza04 t1_iruo38z wrote

Yeah, I’d agree with that! But despite being a sociopath, he’s always been very helpful to me and spent a great deal of time tutoring me when I was in college for free. I think I’m his longest lasting friendship. But it’s been very interesting seeing him grow up and mature. We’ve been friends for over a decade now, and when we were younger his disorder definitely came across. Now that we’re in our 30s, he’s chilled out a lot. I’m not sure how to articulate it other than him at 25 and 35 are pretty different.


MrBubbles226 t1_irv1ak3 wrote

When young people are abused or neglected, it can be hard for their minds to come to terms with the reality of it.

Many reenact the behavior. That's why you often hear of the abused becoming abusers. Reenacting gives then some sense of control again, and tries to make the reality make sense to them.

But as they grow older, like your friend, the brain develops, and perception becomes better. They have a chance of catching themselves and changing for the better, like your friend.

Some do, and some don't. Imo it explains a lot of the people in prison. They were not able to catch themselves, so society eventually had to.


-HappyLady- t1_irupfy1 wrote

Thank you for this article. I had never encountered t3 term “malevolent creativity” before.

My brother and I, in response to what we now know is called gaslighting, used to call our mom an “evil genius” for the creative ways she messed with our minds.

I’m glad to have a more clinical term for the characteristic that lead to that behavior.


MrBubbles226 t1_irv0wz6 wrote

Yeah it's a nice term for something pretty heinous.

I'm sorry you had to deal with that. Childhood experiences stay with us our whole lives, but they don't have to define us.

Often, those who are subjected to abuse and neglect when they are young repeat the behavior. So don't blame yourself if you've inadvertently picked up any bad behaviors. Reenacting trauma and bad experiences is a way for young minds to try to get some sense of control.


Vircxzs t1_irv5xne wrote

I can't speak for APD, but in BPD (which is a cluster B personality disorder), up to 30% of patients with the disorder reported no abuse of any kind during their childhood.

So there is some evidence that it is nature for some individuals. It's politically incorrect to say that these days (especially here on reddit), but the wonderful thing about science is it doesn't care what your ideology tells you is true.

Anti-science folks, of course, will still find any sliver of doubt to cling to their beliefs that everything bad with the world can be blamed on "bad parenting".


SinVerguenza04 t1_irw28re wrote

That’s interesting. I haven’t heard that, I learned that BPD is usually caused by sort of isolated trauma, typically.