Submitted by smurfyjenkins t3_y14so4 in science
It’s funny you think needing an ID is considered no big deal. In the US a lot of our lefties hate that. Mostly because of what happens in rural areas where public transportation sucks more than usual and places to get ID’s get shutdown or moved by people who’s interests include gerrymandering and bigotry
It's mandatory to own a form of ID in Netherlands. Not so in the US.
This is technically true but it is required to have ID for many things in the US. Personally I’m surprised any adult in the US can get by without a photo ID. It’s not something you need everyday but I just don’t get how you can go through life without one.
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We should just across the board issue photo ID’s at every highschool.
Picture day at highschool take your yearbook photo and get a state issued ID
You would think the US, the centre of the global financial system, would have good banking systems right? But there are over 10 million adults without bank accounts in the US. So it seems there are quite a few people who live lives outside of what you consider normal.
I’ve worked for a bank as a teller and I’ve seen the amount of people who just cash their employees checks. While it’s not how I’d live my life this little factoid is entirely unsurprising to me
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Most places in the us that look like the Netherlands are not necessarily the ones with voting issues.
But except ND you have to register? Ah Oregon has auto registration (wiki)
I get my voter registration form automatically in the mail. Compact, well-educated urban populations isn't where voter suppression takes place.
You need ID? That's racist over here
I mean, yeah, it is, because over here it's usually used to try and disenfranchise minority voters. Combine voter ID laws with, A: free state-issued IDs, and B: automatic voter registration, and then it would make sense. But usually the people pushing ID laws don't want those things, because what they want it to reduce the number of minority voters.
My state tried to offer free state issued one and people still didn't like that
Well, I listed two conditions, because barriers to participation come in both the forms of money and also time/knowledge. Voter ID laws consistently reduce voter participation, so you need to make voting easier to balance that out.
Also, it's worth pointing out that "free" IDs often aren't actually free -- you need to pay for things like birth certificates, you may need to take a day off work to go down to the social security office to get a social security card, etc.
And, further, a lot of ID laws are actually written in ways that are designed to specifically target minority communities (e.g., through the choice of what forms of ID to allow or disallow).
None of anything you have said actually impacts voter registration. Birth certificates and SSNs are confered at the earliest point of legalhood. Almost 18 yrs before anyone needs to vote.
Voter ID has no impact on turnouts and a majority of Americans 70%> support voter ID laws including minorities. White Democrats have the lowest support for IDs in the party.
>https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3446516
I think you're misunderstanding. Birth certificates and social security cards (not numbers) are commonly required to get the "free" IDs proposed in these laws. Many people don't have paper social security cards or birth certificates on file at home and need to go and get copies in order to provide evidence of their identity when requesting an ID. That costs time and money.
Saying that "Voter ID has no impact on turnouts" is false. Your source for that is not actually a study of impact on turnout -- they claim to find that only a small amount of voting occurs without ID, and thus assume the impact *must* be small. But it's worth noting that "small" here still means 0.1 - 0.31% -- more than enough to swing a close election, and potentially disenfranchising many thousands of voters.
There have been many studies on this, with some finding a negative effect of several percent. You can browse through some of them here: https://electionlab.mit.edu/research/voter-identification
It's worth noting that the reason for enacting these laws is, in itself, the hope that it will favor Republicans. Voter fraud is vanishingly rare, and when it occurs, IDs are unlikely to prevent it. These laws are pushed by Republicans, and almost always in states where Republican control is threatened by large non-White populations. Exactly how effective it is is open for debate, but favoring Republicans is the point.
All americans are issued paper documents automatically at birth and ID in many states with voter laws count for anything including bank statements and utility bills.
Do not misrepresent the source. The 0.31% is the most extreme rendition of the people who have been shown to vote without IDs in states that require it.
Again, do not misrepresent your own links. You have deliberately ignored the studies also finding a positive result in turnout of the same several percentage points directly linked in the same paper. The consenus is a null effect.
Majority of voters back ID laws including democrats. Georgia was the most recent state in which the majority went to the polls and willingly voted for ID laws.
>All americans are issued paper documents automatically at birth and ID in many states with voter laws count for anything including bank statements and utility bills.
1: Yes, at birth. How many adults still have those things lying around? I know I've needed new copies before. This is an obvious financial barrier you're pretending doesn't exist because it suits you.
2: In many states, sure, but not all of them, you're just hand-waving things away based on what might happen in an ideal situation.
3: Regardless of any of this, there is absolutely no reason not to pair the ID requirement with automatic registration except malicious opposition to voting rights.
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>Do not misrepresent the source. The 0.31% is the most extreme rendition of the people who have been shown to vote without IDs in states that require it.
That's... exactly what I said. I said that it found rates between 0.1% and 0.31%. Hence 0.31% being the highest. It was you that misrepresented the studies by claiming they found no impact!
It's all a moot point anyway because voter fraud practically doesn't exist and the only extremely rare cases they find are Repubs who have ID but choose to try to cheat.
No real problem = no need to make new laws
Near totality of american adults have those documents. They are integral parts of being an adult, signing up for credit cards, tax payments, product purchases, renting, venue admissions etc.
That is not an ideal cooked up scenario, its the working law in majority of states. Majority of Americans use these methods on a daily basis.
Please dont read abstracts then come to your own conclusions. The studies including yours literally says so. The effect is null. Are you currently now arguing also against your own link? Or you will just keep picking and choosing paragraphs to ignore?
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You are required by law to always have some form of id on you, and it's not very complicated, expensive or time consuming to get one.
It's mandatory over here to be able to show an id
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Registering to vote is literally only a paperwork hurdle to keep people from voting. I guarantee the government knows who you are and where you live when its time to collect taxes, why on earth do you have to stand in line at the DMV and wait for them to mail you a card with the information they already have???
Because they want the harder working & busier citizens to vote less often.
It’s literally the only logical explanation. It’s a political calculation done by all those in power. If it would benefit a party to make voting more accessible, they would change it when it power.
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And that’s why Republicans are against it. Because they can only win by stealing elections. I know this comment will be removed but it’s the truth.
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Yeah, but...3-million people die each year in the USA, and re-register makes it harder for dead people to vote...
The US is decades behind other countries for not having voter ID as standard.
And not having voting systems set up so that everyone can vote with ease. A lot of their systems are intentionally designed to reduce voting, mainly in poorer areas.
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I don't know of any state where an active voter has to re-register. The only time I've ever had to re-register is when I've moved.
This has been an issue in Texas over the past few years
I'm not sure if it occurs in other states. Until I had moved here I hadn't heard of this before.
I don’t get a notice nor need to register. I hear on the news that there’s voting going on, so at the mall I whip out my ID, vote, then get some milk and eggs because the polling station is open 8h every day for two weeks, located right next to a supermarket. It’s that easy.
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I registered to vote when I was 18 and only need to change it when I moved. When the county changed my voting place they automatically mailed me a new card with the address of the new place. There is no need to “ re register “ . U register once or when you change addresses
They don’t want us to vote.
People who can't re-register aren't the ones you want voting in the first place.
Virginia is very accommodating for citizens as lazy as I am. After I voted by mail for several elections during the Covid Days, they just sent me a form asking if I’d like a mail-in ballot for each future election. I jumped at it, and I receive my ballots like clockwork. It’s like shopping at Amazon - never even have to leave the house.
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I automatically get my voter pass including the nearest voting locations (generally a couple minutes by foot) that are open from early morning till evening.
No need to register, you pick your vote there and then. All you need is the pass and your ID
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