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They are just normal people.

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"Likes butts"

Sex deprived, lonely, poor communication skills, safety behind a screen. Yea normal people for sure

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You know you're describing like a bjillion people in this day and age. I'd say that isn't exactly a wild stretch from normal at this point.

Yea. Right. Init why social media is popular is because if the above

Conclusion: they are horny

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Check the article.

Or, not different from non-users. Like the study found.

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Twitch and only fans are the new strip clubs of the digital age.

boom…hooorny

This is Reddit. Nobody reads any of the links.

Boom! No longer horny. Wait.. what are you doing when your booming?

With bigger boobs

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Yes Twitch is rediculous. "I wonder why men see me as a sex object"

So everyone under age 50?

I would have to agree

Yes, because paying someone for niche content they own is much worse for sex workers compared to streaming porn for free or paying a production company (many of which traffic and coerce women into producing content).

Porn is a very real and human thing. Might as well pay the people who decide to make it instead of some company profiting off of men and women’s bodies.

There is free pornsites everywhere. I mean you are on a platform that has it. And is it niche content when you can literally see the same thing for free? And you dont think OF has predatory companies going to these content creators to boost popularity? Come on now they are literally taking advantage of hopeless people starving for that kind of attention. There isnt enough time in a day for them to interact with all the people that come across them in a day.

So, they're horny enough to want porn, but not smart enough to watch it for free?

Or maybe you just want to see specific people's content and actually support them? Is that so weird?

Like yeah, we all know you can get porn for free. The reason they pay isn't because they aren't aware of that. There's plenty of free music too, but people still pay for music.

Is 'being a loser' quantative?

And I cannot lie.

People comparing producing a song or an album to taking a foot pic is the reason the musical industry's in shambles right now...

Onlyfans is kind of like interactive porn. I haven't used it a lot, but a bit. Mostly as a way to give a couple bucks to support some of the people posting for free here on Reddit. Many of them have OFs too. But I still end up spending most of my time looking at porn on Reddit.

But a lot of them also take requests, and interact with their subscribers. I'm not interested but I can see why people would want to pay to get more of a "girlfriend experience".

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We're not talking about what's better or worse for sex workers, we're talking about if the client is as mentally healthy as genpop.

Can't say I don't understand the reasoning, but...

sigh

If you won't get a real gf why do you want a virtual one to begin with? It's just kind of counterintuitive, but maybe that's just me.

Because men are slimy filthy pervs and it doesn't matter a lick how women dress or what women do certain men will immediately go with their brains have been trained to go.

I think they know exactly why men see them as a sex object, especially the ones that get paid on twitch. They declare these statements ironically because they have to cope with just how bad it is.

Bonk! Go to horny jail!

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So instead of a discussion about the science, reddit makes jokes. The jokes aren't offensive, but they reveal exactly what you all think about people who use porn when the study says the exact opposite. GAWD, would it hurt you all to read the article and learn something?

>“I think the biggest takeaway here is that individuals who create and access SEM content are not significantly different than those who do not,” Litam told PsyPost. “Based on the results of our study, OnlyFans users and nonusers endorsed similar sexual attitudes. I believe this finding is important because it directly challenges stigmatizing attitudes that portray SEM users as deviant, hypersexual, and sexually permissive. Ultimately, when it comes down to sexual attitudes, we are all more alike than different.”

Oh, look at that? People who use porn are no different than you and me? People use porn because they want to get off, and it's people from all walks of life. Apparently you aren't some kind of deviant loser if you use porn.

I love a good sex joke but reddit yet again basks in the unabashed irony instead of expanding minds.

Please tell me this study wasn't publicly funded

The results have found...they're all lonely

This should be stapled to the top of the trash fest that is the comments right now.

Men see women as sex objects if they appear in public view. Using that to my benefit doesn't change that fact, and knowing from experience that it doesn't matter how conservatively and modestly I dress means I'll do what is profitable. It'll happen either way. But I will still always wonder why men do not view me as a person.

It's not just "taking a foot pic", there's so much work that goes into successful sex work. Creating content people want to see is a job, it takes skill and effort and time. It takes knowing your audience and catering to them, it often includes a great degree of acting and social skills, and building a persona. The camera work, lighting, and filming takes skill as well.

You might not see the value in it, but it's not because there isn't any- the music industry is in shambles for reasons unrelated to sex work.

It's not a 1:1 comparison, but the point is that people pay for things because they like those things and want to support the creator.

For some people it’s ethics. They want the worker to be paid directly. It’s like buying from your local small business vs Amazon. Yeah it’s gonna cost more, and it might take longer to get it. But it is far better than supporting a corporation that potentially abuses and underpays workers.

Meh.

> “Litam and her colleagues surveyed 718 U.S. adult participants who ranged in age from 18 to 71 (average age 29). The sample included 348 OnlyFans users (219 male users and 129 female users).” “…Of the total sample, 285 self-identified as college/university students with the remaining 433 from MTurk”

Needless to say, as you can see, there are those in this thread heavily defending the point that “OnlyFans users are no different than the average person,” etc. Can I get an “….ehhh idk”?

Well, check their sample. It’s not that large, and over a third are women. Surely, this isn’t random. And over half surveyed are from one university - yet, you can make a headline ambiguous like this.

Most of our brothers, refuse to deny

Except that wasn’t the result…

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Or they like compensating people for their work but go off.

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That feels true only if you're referring to that weird guy who's obsessed with a particular stripper

I feel like with a sample size that small, on a site that large, where the overwhelming majority of users are male, and over 1/3 of the study's OF user participants are female that this doesn't represent the average OF user.

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Study stats:

• 718 U.S. adult participants (avg. age 29)
• 348 OnlyFans users (48% of participants)
• 219 male (63%)
• 129 female (37%)

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OF Stats:

• 175,000,000 users (1.9+ million creators)
• Largest age group of users is 25-34 (? again, this comes from a small sample size of 1000, so who knows how accurate it is)
• Avg. age of creators is 29 (? same issue as above)
• 77% of users are male, 23% are female

348 OF users simply cannot represent 175 million users. The only way to get any worthwhile data would be if OF conducted this study about their users themselves.

what sample size do you need before its big enough to be statistically significant in this context of surveys?

> and interact with their subscribers.

No they don't. They use agencies and e-pimps to run their pages. Those agencies and e-pimps then employ third world labor to perform chatting on behalf of the model. It's a complete and utter scam. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/16/magazine/e-pimps-onlyfans.html

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Men? All men? That’s a broad statement. You have to villainize the other in order to justify attacking them. It’s like how some people after 9-11 said “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim.” It’s not a true statement, but it does the job of pointing all the problem on one group. Women treat men like objects too often. Lots of married or divorced men or fathers say they feel like they’re a walking ATM and that’s all. Lots of times the words of some women backup this, calling them “paycheck” or “sperm donor.” It’s not uncommon either.

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Why is being attracted to somebody automatically "objectification"?

I never said all men. I said men, because it's men that do that to me. If a woman ever follows me down the street because I ignored her catcalling, or if me and other girls have to go to the bathroom in groups for safety against other girls, or if women start creeping on me while I'm waiting for the bus or minding my own business, I'll say "people do that to me". But until then, it's only men.

Why do you think I think that way?

Feel like there's some mental gymnastics taking place in your comment.

It's my lived experience and the experiences of my friends and family.

Open to other thoughts, but generally it doesn’t matter. Obviously, more is better if taken from a diverse pool - but when the sample is more concentrated to one university, it’s hard to see much validity no matter how many you have.

Really, because the first sentence is a broad declarative statement about the nature of men and women with none of that context. Get off your little high horse.

You didn’t say all men. That’s right. You did however say “men” which obviously implied all men. You could have done better in being more specific. You’re just backpedaling and trying to inject doubt into the topic.

Since no one usually says anything because of fear of being labeled the sexist people pull this sort of thing all day which is it’s own form of sexism justified by blaming an entire outgroup. There’s nothing inheritable wrong with men. You failed to point out that women objectify men on a site where they often get men to pay them to essentially do nothing or things they didn’t do like getting others to make fake used panties.

Sure it’s gross oftentimes and treats women poorly, but since it’s a popular way for many women’s peers to make lots of money off of men who do who knows what to make their income a lot of people feel it’s acceptable even the people who think porn made by companies is inherently objectifying towards women.

I'm not on a high horse, I just care about this topic. I was literally crying about this exact issue earlier today because every time I go to this store I love going to, some dude creeps at me and I cannot just go peacefully and shop no matter how I dress or how I present myself. And thinking about my baby sister and how she has to grow up where me and my other sisters have been harassed since before we even hit puberty.

See there ya go trashing men there. You could say some men like the ones that aren’t going out of the way to protect you physically, verbally, and emotionally.

There are no, and have never been men in my life who protect me.

Well, if you look at the survey sample in the actual study, it was concentrated mostly to one university. Take this study with some salt.

Bruh this is paywalled

Ok great well keep blaming all men and acting like you don’t. You definitely aren’t protecting them with that. You’re just trying to boost your value by dumping on others.

By the way no man of fighting age was allowed to leave the country while lots of others were on onlyfans and living abroad. That doesn’t matter to you though because you only think of yourself.

It's a social science article with massive assumptions and flawed methodology - this sub's favorite.

They don't see themselves as people either. Once mortality hits, they may change their tune. Or perhaps not.

I would say that because they are willing to pay, they probably have at least put some thought into how they consume porn.

However the article states no difference.

Yes, free porn exists, but most of the free porn here is just ads for OF content. Maybe niche was the wrong word. I meant more “unique in the way that I know the content and style of this creator and how they present”.

That may be true about promotional groups, but at the end of the day, the average OF creator makes more and is subject to less physical abuse and coercion.

Financial coercion is a different topic entirely.

Well, you just said "men see women as sex objects", so I was under the impression you believe its not just "some men objectify women", but most do, and the only way that'd make any sense is if you counted general attraction as objectification.

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They don't see men on the tv as a person either. It's just that man doesn't provide them any other value just by being visible.

People seem to think their own personal experience is enough to represent the world and all of humanity. She's just jaded it feels like

he types on his iphone

Yes, the size is 700 people. They say, "no difference" but no difference from what? A Catholic conservative?

Isn't it also the implication of the comment she's responding to?

"I wonder why men see me as a sex object" > This implies that men do objectify women on Twitch, just that it's their fault for putting on clothes that are too revealing.

And you're right, the main issue isn't attraction, it's the objectification, ie unwarranted comments. And those comments aren't just the result of revealing clothes, because there's a moral agent typing them. And it's that person's responsibility to behave, even if they're attracted to someone who shows a bit of skin.

I'm sorry what??? Not only you objectified women, you also are objectifying men with saying that all men are pervs-_-

Your point is so invalid I cant even guess what's your take on this

>Oh, look at that? People who use porn are no different than you and me?

I mean, how would they be, everyone use porn.

So, like literally everyone on reddit?

Thats all fine as long as you dont start parasocial relationships, which unfortunately onlyfans encourage.

Horny not allowed. Objectification and stuff.

>Onlyfans is kind of like interactive porn.

And thats not a good thing. It leads to parsocial relationships that have severe negative effects of your psychology.

You’re not the hero you think you are right now. You’re not defending victims who happen to be male or female, however you are defending monsters who happen to be men right now. You inserted “all men” to the conversation and used it to redirect the conversation. You’re taking part in monstery. I would recommend not being a monster. You’re probably gonna continue on though in some sort attempt feel like you have any high moral ground…

For a system with 175 million users, assuming you somehow can get the survey of of a good distribution (not just students in US) you start at 2000-3000 datapoints and go up if you want above 95% confidence.

Seems to me that the issue is a lack of manners.

Ad hominem comment. I pointed out the lack of clarity. I’m not a monster despite your need for me to be one. That’s your profile. I suggest you don’t be a hypocrite. What she was bringing up was a nonsequiter to redirect the discussion. I see you’re familiar with that so you shouldn’t have tried to pretend I did such. You have a mental block that inhibits you from being fair with men. I could have gone on about cases where I’ve known men to be victims of women: physical assault, emotional abuse, gaslighting (which you’re doing despite what you think), and familial alienation. Have some integrity and accountability rather than call people names on the internet.

A few are the guy on the street asking for change.

A lack of manners that women experience more than men

Why would they be different? Any reason to think that?

The world has changed. Everyone watchs porn, everyone is lonely, to a degree.

Everyone watches porn, of course.

But not everyone pays for some sort of fake online relationship.

I dont pay for it either, but I doubt that they are very different from you or me.

There are people that are into BSDM. More or less, accepted by mainstream society. There are more potential for abuse in it than onlyfans yet is more accepted.

Truth be told, who cares about how other people get off. If it affects your flourishing it must do very slightly compared to anything else on this world.

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