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redcoat777 t1_iwbmp47 wrote

Bees can not fully be raised in lab conditions. pollen sub is not a full replacement for natural pollen, and with the 3-5 mile forage range it is not practical to say we can control their wild food sources.


GrayMatters50 t1_iwcsg7f wrote

I know a lady florist that built huge attached greenhouses with bee hive access .. her bees fly in & collect pollen from acanthus to zucchini. That seemed to be successful. The plants & honey sold was used to set up more hives & greenhouses. Delicious honey.


redcoat777 t1_iwdd1sh wrote

That works to an extent, any time i have seen it attempted seriously ended up with a lot of bees “stuck” inside the top corner of the greenhouse


GrayMatters50 t1_iwe0vqp wrote

Of course I didnt go inside so I dont know. But the plants , flowers were magnificent & the Honey tasted great. She took videos of the hives & they were active.


ayleidanthropologist t1_iwcf77d wrote

You can raise them on sugar water though right?


redcoat777 t1_iwck2ig wrote

Once they are adult they can survive off pure sugar water, but they need high quality protein when they are larvea. Their carbs come from nectar (honey), and their fats and proteins come from pollen. We have artificial pollen substitutes, but it isnt as good as the real stuff.


GrayMatters50 t1_iwcstqw wrote

Then combining hives & greenhouses could be a good thing. It would certainly protect hives from attacks.


redcoat777 t1_iwddaj0 wrote

Yes, though it would be very hard to have enough consistent food supplies for a single hive within one greenhouse, and greenhouses seem to mess up their intenal navigation


GrayMatters50 t1_iwe1h13 wrote

I know she was working with NY Botanical Garden & a couple of top notch Universities. There's birds living in a conservatory.


redcoat777 t1_iwe9je9 wrote

Then i dare say they have reduced the losses to an acceptable level. it generally surprises people how many bees die every day in a healthy colony.


Tuts36 t1_iwcjuis wrote

Yes, and it's probably as good for bees nutritionally as a lifetime of fast food would be for us.


kevshea t1_iwcj666 wrote

And our water sources are increasingly polluted as well.


SweetBrea t1_iwc0z4u wrote

>This happened under lab conditions though.

Forcing bees to live in an entirely unnatural setting couldn't possibly have any negative impact, right?


DonUdo t1_iwc19cn wrote

Apparently it didn't 50 years ago


SweetBrea t1_iwc1mye wrote

You don't think a negative impact can take generations to really start to be observable to us? You don't think generations in a lab without access to the environment that builds an immune system can eventually have large effects on the population as a whole?


DonUdo t1_iwc29ip wrote

Why would you think they breed them exclusively in the lab instead of taking princesses from outside population?


SweetBrea t1_iwc4z03 wrote

Because they literally claim they are "independent of environmental stressors". How could they be sure it isn't environmental if they were just repeatedly harvesting them from, ya know, the environment?


Kangie t1_iwc84qe wrote

> [environmental] Stressors are environmental factors that cause stress. They include biotic factors such as food availability, the presence of predators, infection with pathogenic organisms or interactions with conspecifics, as well as abiotic factors such as temperature, water availability and toxicants.


nuck_forte_dame t1_iwc3tsl wrote

It's comparing apples to apples.

They aren't comparing lifespan in a lab today with natural 50 years ago.

They are comparing to lifespan in labs 50 years ago.


ohhmichael t1_iwc9dul wrote

And if the lab results 50 years ago and today are 25% affected by environmental conditions, then the results cannot be concluded as being independent of environmental conditions...


Nearatree t1_iwcajs1 wrote

No see, they moved the labs beyond the environment.


SweetBrea t1_iwc5rs7 wrote

I am saying the methods they are using to compare the apples to apples may be what is actually affecting the apples... or bees if you will.