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Dannyzavage t1_j2a3hov wrote

Tf does this mean? Good or bad?

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Applejuiceinthehall t1_j2a6ujq wrote

It just means that there should be some studies comparing IF to weight loss without IF.

The studies in the meta analysis only had a control group that ate normally but a losing weight group (like calorie deficit).

Then we can see if it's just weight loss or if IF is improves more blood pressure than weight loss alone.

Also, it says that there was no improvement in lipid levels or heart rate.

Also, "(1) the participants included mostly adults with metabolic diseases such as obesity."

So the benefit for overweight or normal weight people might be small or non-existent.

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Wiggen4 t1_j2alqmo wrote

So the interim takeaway for the public is that intermittent fasting does not seem to be an overly risky form of weight loss. If you have high blood pressure, find a diet format (that isn't dangerous) that will be the most sustainable for you. Weight loss and financial success are majority behavioral, you just have to find the right systems to set you up for success

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deathputt4birdie t1_j2cwtwl wrote

> It just means that there should be some studies comparing IF to weight loss without IF.

Ask and ye shall receive: A recent Randomized Control Trial that proves that time restricted diet reduces visceral fat and improves metabolic profiles better than low carb diet alone.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36220069/

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VellDarksbane t1_j2d79ms wrote

That sounds like a study that proves IF is better than Keto, not IF is better than CICO alone.

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Sketti_n_butter t1_j2a4lgj wrote

It's good. Systolic pressure is the higher of the two. When that is lower, your arterial system is operating at a lower pressure, which likely leads to less long term damage. The key takeaway is that the effects are likely due to weight loss.

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Appalachian_Oper8r t1_j2am45u wrote

*Your arterial system is operating lower after systole… diastolic pressure remaining the same could still lead to long term damage if hypertensive.

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talashrrg t1_j2dt8z2 wrote

If your systolic pressure is lower and your diastolic pressure is the same your mean arterial pressure is still lower

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not_cinderella t1_j2b7lht wrote

So does this mean essentially if you’re not looking to lose weight, there isn’t much of a benefit to doing IF?

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celticchrys t1_j2cy912 wrote

Anecdotally, it seems to help some diabetics I know control their fasting blood glucose levels better. There is limited data on this so far, though.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32780629/

It is hypothesized that it may help reduce some negative aging effects, but the articles sadly seem to all be paywalled.

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not_cinderella t1_j2cyj9a wrote

I think I’ve heard that before. But is it just type II diabetes or both type I and II?

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LuckyHedgehog t1_j2d7z42 wrote

It's far from definitive, but here's an article on Diabetes.co.uk

>A study published in February [2017] reported that cyclical fasting helped to repair beta cells in mouse models of type 1 diabetes. This may be due to the fact that autophagy is often followed by a massive boost in stem cells that can replenish or replace beta cells destroyed by autoimmune processes with healthy cells

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smurficus103 t1_j2bhnyc wrote

IF might have benifits beyond weightloss and blood pressure, there's some pretty exciting preliminary rat studies

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not_cinderella t1_j2biqzz wrote

Like what though? I already mostly eat a 12-12 (even 14-10) schedule; not on purpose that’s just how I like to eat. Is there really a lot of benefit from constraining eating further ?

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LuckyHedgehog t1_j2d75qk wrote

When your body enters a fasting state it will begin a process called Autophagy, the process of cleaning up old and damaged cells in your body

This process has a number of beneficial long term effects such as lowering cancer risks, elimination of latent viruses and pathogens hiding in older cells, triggering stem cell production, etc.

Another study about this effect, though this is using longer fasting cycles the benefits still apply for IF

https://news.usc.edu/63669/fasting-triggers-stem-cell-regeneration-of-damaged-old-immune-system/

>The study has major implications for healthier aging, in which immune system decline contributes to increased susceptibility to disease as people age. By outlining how prolonged fasting cycles — periods of no food for two to four days at a time over the course of six months — kill older and damaged immune cells and generate new ones, the research also has implications for chemotherapy tolerance and for those with a wide range of immune system deficiencies, including autoimmunity disorders

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not_cinderella t1_j2e0kgr wrote

It’s hard to wrap my head around how not eating for 4 days could be healthy, but that’s probably m personal struggle with disordered eating coming in. Thanks for the info.

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LuckyHedgehog t1_j2e2bo7 wrote

Going that long is extreme and should definitely be medically supervised to make sure you're getting the correct nutrition supplements. People do go that long on a routine as well but they have to build up to it and be very careful coming out of it to avoid refeeding syndrome

In this context they're looking at the extreme specifically for treating cancer patients

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bisforbenis t1_j2cbfw4 wrote

It means Intermittent fasting is good for lowering systolic blood pressure, but doesn’t do much for diastolic blood pressure. Systolic blood pressure is more strongly correlated to all sorts of health problems (both matter, but systolic matters more barring edge cases) so this is good

However, it’s basically saying that there isn’t some magical thing going on with intermittent fasting specifically, the only reason it’s good for lowering systolic blood pressure is because it’s good at helping you lose weight, but it’s no better at reducing systolic blood pressure than any other approach to weight loss

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mattstats t1_j2eal49 wrote

In a nutshell, you can just skip the malnourishment diet and go for a more steady approach to weight loss and still see the good side effects

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