aminervia t1_j19wm2h wrote
Reply to comment by Wassux in In a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled crossover study 60% of insomnia patients "no longer classified as clinical insomniacs" after just 2-weeks of using medical cannabis oil by BoundariesAreFun
"Placebos are extraordinary drugs. They seem to have some effect on almost every symptom known to mankind, and work in at least a third of patients and sometimes in up to 60 percent. "
Wassux t1_j19wunm wrote
Effect, not cure.
And yes because some symptoms just disappear naturally. Headache is a great example.
Insomnia is not like that. Will it have an effect? Ofcourse. But not cure 60% of them.
aminervia t1_j19zf5h wrote
>Effect, not cure.
Where in the article did you read about a "cure"? Where did you read about longer term follow up?
It seems like you don't know what the word "effect" or "cure" means in a medical sense
Wassux t1_j1a0e7y wrote
"No longer classified as insomniacs. "
If you had cancer and you no longer classified as having cancer, would you call that cured or not?
I didn't talk about longer term follow up? Seems like I know the difference just fine. If I am confused somewhere, explaining it is going to get us further than this.
aminervia t1_j1a10d4 wrote
Dude, yes, you don't know anything about cancer either. This is commonly known and discussed... If you had cancer and you're no longer technically classified as having cancer, you are "in remission" not cured.
>I didn't talk about longer term follow up? Seems like I know the difference just fine. If I am confused somewhere, explaining it is going to get us further than this.
A tiny study on insomniacs showed that about 60% (within the placebo range) no longer showed the required symptoms to be diagnosed as insomniacs.
They did not do any long-term follow-up meaning that immediately after treatment they didn't show symptoms, but there's no longer-term documentation. This is absolutely something that the placebo effect could explain away
Wassux t1_j1a7zpe wrote
You just made up that that can be explained by the placebo. If you have form of proof, reasoning or anything at all other than because you say it is I would love to hear it. But I have never heard of placebo curing 60% of a group.
aminervia t1_j1a9wtx wrote
The whole point of having a study like this is to compare the active medication to the placebo. So, you give half the people up the placebo and half the people the real medication.
If you'll go back to my original comment, my point was that this study did not have a placebo trial because you'd automatically know whether or not you got the medication because it made you high.
I already shared a source with you that the placebo effect can go up to 60%, and this is especially true with medication that a lot of people are excited about.
Therefore, because this study did not have a reasonable control, there's no way of knowing whether or not the benefit from the active medication isn't placebo.
I've already explained everything to you now, I've already shared a source. You've already explained that you don't know much about this... I'm not sure what else there is to argue about?
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