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mixer99 t1_j3iorzc wrote

I think you should take another crack at that title.

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DrXaos t1_j3jb1f2 wrote

“Ruthless revolutionary murderers kill their opponents and keep power.”

See: Lenin, Castro, Khomeini, Kim

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TarthenalToblakai t1_j3kl63s wrote

"Timid revolutionaries get murdered by their opponents who keep power."

Fixed that for you.

Also Castro, ruthless? Give me a break.

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MethylSamsaradrolone t1_j3krvzk wrote

To survive and stay in power for that long, you'd have to be. Castro would have exactly zero ruths to give after the 2nd assassination attempt.

He's not like Kim or Khomenei no, but still. Or do you just mean specifically to the initial revolution itself?

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TarthenalToblakai t1_j3kt4g8 wrote

Or...you could also just have majority support from the population?

The assassination attempts came from the CIA through Cuban exiles and USA-based mafia outfits. Oppressive local measures in response would be largely pointless -- and unless you want to provide evidence to the contrary as far as I'm aware they didn't exist. He just had a competent intel and security team (and some luck.)

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iusecactusesasdildos t1_j3lcp2w wrote

Our govt hates socialist and they want us on the same page. A lot of history is white washed because of this fact, that and some other not so good reasons.

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macsenw t1_j3oal0b wrote

Maybe at points later he developed widespread support, but immediately after victory, Castro, with Che and others was pretty murdery on even his co-revolutionaries. "To the wall!"

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TarthenalToblakai t1_j3sre1l wrote

None of those claims are true.

Castro had widespread support during the revolution. The Batista regime was incredibly unpopular, a major aspect of why the revolution was successful in the first place.

Executions post-revolution were around 500 people tried for war crimes. I suppose one could call that "pretty murdery", but compared to most other revolution's executions it's a small number. The USA media went all out trying to paint it as egregious, but that's pretty easily debunked propaganda and regardless of what the US media said there was popular support from the Cuban public.

As for your last claim that it included co-revolutionaries...I've never heard that before, nor can I find any evidence to substantiate it. Did you just make that claim up yourself?

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[deleted] t1_j3ll2k9 wrote

You absolutely don’t. All of these revolutionary leader get mass support from the people. Even leaders like Lenin, regardless of your opinion of him, had genuine support from the people.

People love their leaders and government even they see those leaders then their societies around for them. Life under Castro is infinitely greater than what came before. Life in the Soviet Union was infinitely greater than what came before. Life in China is infinitely greater than what came before. And people will have appreciation for the fact that their lives are better

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[deleted] t1_j3lkojn wrote

Ah yes. Everyone knows of the great North Korean revolution.

And Lenin and Castro personally killed their opponents. It totally wasn’t the entire society who decided to overthrow the previous society. Instead it was just a single individual who did it

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ExceedingChunk t1_j3jmpfj wrote

If you kill your opponent during a revolution, they are less likely to strike back.

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