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esotericenema t1_j5h6gmq wrote

I know this is going to be a crazy controversial statement, but hear me out...

Peace... is good. Efforts that help lead to equitable peace without violence...

are good, actually.


Alberiman t1_j5hiaqg wrote

An experiential exposure sort of intervention like this if rolled out in the US would likely draw parents with guns, the closest we have are college campuses and already there's an intense hate of them amongst quite a large chunk of society.

I would love it if everyone could be made to humanize one another and grow to understand the nuances of reality to push for the better world for everyone without pain


nitzua t1_j5iaflt wrote


this is where issues arise


Xist3nce t1_j5j4g0d wrote

I don’t think anyone (with brain cells) refutes that, but it’s not often people who have brain cells that are the problem.


The_Last_Green_leaf t1_j5k0hf2 wrote

>I don’t think anyone (with brain cells) refutes that,

this made me chuckle, considering for me the guy right above you is actually calling for violence against one side (right wingers) saying a dialogue isn't needed because they're just so evil.


Xist3nce t1_j5kz5sw wrote

Did I misread that post? I’m so sleep deprived I’m not sure anymore?


Extension-Ad-2760 t1_j5hdob3 wrote

Literally no-one disagrees with this.


esotericenema t1_j5hf5nh wrote

Well, the comments of others in this thread seemed to suggest otherwise, and I was also being mildly facetious, just for the record.


Wagamaga OP t1_j5fzlc3 wrote

Can anything minimize the serious polarization among groups in countries like Israel and the US? With the global escalation in conflicts among population groups, acts of violence by residents of cities and the increasing participation of youth in civil conflicts, there appears to be an urgent need to develop science-based methods to mitigate hatred and aggression and foster empathy and dialogue among youth growing up in the reality of a long-term conflict.

Eight sessions of dialogue-enhancing interventions among Jewish and Arab youth resulted in an impact on brain function, hormonal response, social behavior and attitudes towards the conflict and gains were retained seven years later.

Prof. Ruth Feldman, director of the Center for Developmental Social Neuroscience at Reichman University’s Ivcher School of Psychology, together with her research partners, examined whether it’s possible to build an intervention for teenagers from polarized groups in a society that has experienced multigenerational conflict, based on findings from the field of neuroscience. They wondered whether such interventions improve the brain’s reactions towards others, and can these improvements be preserved over time?

For the study, the researchers built a unique synchrony-focused intervention and examined its effects on the neural and hormonal responses and communication behavior among Jewish and Arab adolescents. The intervention, entitled “Tools of Dialogue” is a manualized group intervention of eight meetings between Jewish and Arab teenagers.

Each meeting lasted about two-and-a-half hours and was held in groups of 12 boys or girls, half of them Jews and half of them Arabs. The sessions were led by two mediators, one Jewish and one Arab, both of which have vast experience in facilitating Jewish-Arab groups.

“Our research findings showed that youth who received the intervention showed a broad and multidimensional bio-neurobehavioral change and the intervention gains lasted for years,” said Feldman. “This study is the first of its kind to show that an intervention based on increasing behavioral synchrony in groups engaged in intractable conflict stimulates the brain's empathic response, attenuates the neural basis of prejudice, reduces the cortisol response (stress), increases oxytocin (love) and shapes interpersonal interaction that is more mutual and less hostile.

This change is evident in the participants even after seven years, and the youth who underwent the intervention developed more tolerant attitudes towards the other, believed in finding a solution, and were actively involved in initiatives for dialogue and peace as young adults.”


AugustWolf22 t1_j5in8e1 wrote

This is silly. It's pointless to have political dialogue and understanding when the whole argument of one side is that they want to ethnically cleanse and expell your people and are taught to view you as a lesser being. Imagine if in South Africa they had just peacefully talked an end to apartheid instead of protesting, fighting and sanctioning it. because both sides saw the common ground - basically the argument if this study. Doing so is suicide for groups in such situations.


amos106 t1_j5k2scz wrote

It sounds like the political dialog was being guided in a way that helped to deconstruct that indoctrination and build understanding that they are also human beings, and this applies to both parties. Human relations are built on trust and reciprocation so if you want the violence to stop you need to figure out ways of establishing those two things.


YurtMcGirt t1_j5jw2a8 wrote

If it’s pointless to have dialogue then what alternative do you suggest?


AugustWolf22 t1_j5k393m wrote

I'm not saying that dialogue itself is useless per se, but rather individualised dialogue like this, when the issue is a systemic one originating from the overall goals of the group/society. Small actions like these can't change the fact that the aim of the Israeli state is to completely colonise Palestine and erase it's statehood and the rights of the Palestinian people in favour of Israeli citizens. Dialogue/diplomacy must be accompanied by systematic, sweeping top-down changes to the nature of the israeli goals with regards to Palestinian lands for thid conflict to be resolved. Trying to all get along and be friends just won't cut it.


The_Last_Green_leaf t1_j5k082z wrote

>when the whole argument of one side is that they want to ethnically cleanse and expell your people and are taught to view you as a lesser being.

this alone just shows that you could do with this training, considering this is just 100% a strawman,


AugustWolf22 t1_j5k24gt wrote

I'm not trying to strawman. But when you have groups who's altimate goal is the surpression and/ or extermination of your own group of people, dialogue is pointless. obviously people's personal views can vary somewhat here but we are talking moreso about the objectives of the group as a whole. To give another example would you be happy if they did this sort of program with a group of Ukrainians and Russians? would that be worthwhile and productive in your opinion?


myshiningmask t1_j5ml8qc wrote

teaching people to functionally express opinions, especially political ones is very important if you want change. Mastery of our reactions and responses is one step toward being able to act on a situation whether that be through organizing like-minded persons or standing up and speaking against injustice. Foreign powers might feel more sympathy for a Palestine that was willing to accept Israel has a right to exist. That's a pretty hard place to negotiate peace from, since you've mentioned that particular conflict.


LOS_FUEGOS_DEL_BURRO t1_j5g2yas wrote

Sounds like Socialism.


Lurkerantlers t1_j5g7cl4 wrote

If you think trying to find ways to increase empathy between different groups of people is socialism, then indeed that’s what this sounds like.


Shaved_Wookie t1_j5is1tr wrote

Would you be so kind as to share your definition of socialism?

I'd bet good money your definition would bear little resemblance to one we'd find in a dictionary or credible economics textbook.


M00n_Slippers t1_j5hzgs2 wrote

Is there an 'implement now' button somewhere? Because this is desperately needed.


andre3kthegiant t1_j5irytk wrote

If AI is trained with this (and future findings), and when people start openly conversing with AI, it can help solve conflicts?


BigGreenBallOfLuck t1_j5j963w wrote

People don't want to be respectful though. I think that's the point.


OfLittleToNoValue t1_j5jcogs wrote

A lot of people in this country take joy in pissing people off. Our media fuels it because it's keeps those in control safe. If the masses hate each other for made up nonsense they're too busy to do anything about the rich destroying everything for their own gain.


BigGreenBallOfLuck t1_j5jcyvs wrote

Not just your country mate. The media is the western worlds cancer.


Rukasu7 t1_j5jrjdy wrote

its cancer in russia and china too. wilencing and spewing propaganda.


CommanderAGL t1_j5iafgq wrote

Does this work on older people?


throwaway12131214121 t1_j5kw1sk wrote

You can’t successfully address polarization without successfully addressing the root cause. It’s like trying to stop a flood from happening by pushing the water back. Polarization is happening because people are getting more and more unhappy and have wildly different ideas of how to address that. Which is why we’re really in a pickle: The thing people are being polarized around is the thing that must be addressed to end polarization.


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sagittariusnefarious t1_j5l0cw7 wrote

Yes I think so! I like this line of research, as prevention is the best method of peacekeeping. I really hope this continues, no matter what else happens in the world it's essential that we keep going forward with things like this to help prevent outbreaks of violence where possible and to mitigate the damage it causes when the outbreaks can't be prevented, and to promote healing and neural restructuring to those exposed to it either directly or through their elders, relatives, peers etc.


gbchrome t1_j5owwjd wrote

I definitely need to read this later.


233C t1_j5g9env wrote

Well, you can start with an illustrated book of things to avoid.


lightningbadger t1_j5h1ex8 wrote

Ah yes, the redditors guide to weaseling out of actually reading a counter argument


Double_Distribution8 t1_j5hx8iz wrote

Can't they just make a pill/injection they can give to the youth so they don't need to go through the actual physical/mental intervention stuff? Like, can't it just be treated at the source? Is there a medication that could at least make them more amenable to the desired multidimensional bio-neurobehavior changes that our leaders want for a more respectable society?


Jits_Guy t1_j5i3cfp wrote

You're being facetious because of how closely this resembles a re-education camp?

I'm legitimately asking if that's the case. There are people on this website that would actually say something like this.


timshel42 t1_j5gzzu7 wrote

so this sounds eerily close to the concept of 'reeducation camps'


Alberiman t1_j5hivov wrote

They just hung out with people with different viewpoints(The groups were israelis and palestinians) for 2.5 hours every week for 8 weeks, they role played, sung together, shared a dialogue, and even gave gifts to one another