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sideways t1_ja7h2sn wrote

Knowing that the world may change dramatically or even end in the very near term means that everything you do needs to be for its own sake. Don't despair and don't drop out but equally, don't waste any time on things you dislike and are doing based on some expected future utility.

Personally, I just find myself really feeling lucky to have my family and I'm determined to appreciate every day I have with them - which is what I should be doing anyway!

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dasnihil t1_ja7qp21 wrote

i'm in my 30s, settling down with wife and cats, so i understand that i don't share the same angst people in 20s have right now. i would like to point out that you are one of the very few ones who see the drastic societal changes inbound. this gives you an unfair advantage to think more coherently and prepare for it. make use of it. and go educate others. i can imagine a very enthusiastic student unaware of obsolete things and how automation exists for mindless things now, knowing about singularity cushions the blow.

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SoulGuardian55 t1_ja88cvj wrote

People of your age showing this angst too. It's just your personal feeling.

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dasnihil t1_ja88g33 wrote

oh i agree whole heartedly. objectively, life isn't fair and identical for most humans. subjectively, you can be happy in a studio apartment and sad on a bungalow. i personally prefer the bungalow lol but i can't afford one lol.

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bball8927 t1_ja88ibt wrote

I totally understand you. I have OCD and everyday something new pops up in my brain/mind and its really annoying. Have faith though. Things will get better in the next 2 to 3 years. For me I overthink everything. I truly dislike it and its so annoying. Sometimes I find it hard to just enjoy life. On the other hand I hope AI doesn't replace all jobs and I hope AI can help people get more jobs. I hope everything gets better for you as well OP!

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dasnihil t1_ja89s9u wrote

even better, get everyone jobs that are more fulfilling in nature, where you have to think but not higher level cognitive thinking like programming or math.

think of a grocery bagger's job, there's not much thinking going on there. replace that with a job that reviews how bagging is currently done and maybe work with AI to find improvements on the process, and work with smart people to get it implemented. and go home after your 4 hour work day of mostly discussing ideas with people and prompting AI and be with your wife and cats. it's a 3 day work week and society is ever improving.

if you're too pessimistic to imagine what I just did, go look at early 1900s kids shoveling coal in first world countries before the age of 10. that doesn't exist anymore, our quality of life and respect for kids/older ppl has just gone up over the centuries and it won't stop. we're always seeking ultimate pleasure as a herd mind.

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PlaintiffSide t1_ja7ipvj wrote

You can use this to live life as it’s meant to be lived… for each moment, for today, for there’s no guarantee of tomorrow. For how long have humans had ten-, twenty-, or even fifty-year plans? Not long.

I appreciate your point, though. For instance, I’m starting my career as a lawyer. I can’t help but to think that 10 years from now AGI will practically wipe out my practice area. However, I remind myself that: (1) For 20 years, I’ve been hearing that AGI will soon eliminate lawyers and (2) This is what I want to do for its own sake, for as long as I can; it’s not that it would only be worth doing if I could do it for the rest of my life (which would be more apt for an awful government job that someone starts solely so they can get a pension at the end).

If you find yourself absolutely convinced that the world will be unrecognizable in 1-5 years (and I don’t disagree), then count yourself lucky for seeing beyond this moment; don’t despair over what you, and everyone else, is losing—think about how you can take advantage of this moment. You can be better prepared than everyone else who doesn’t see what’s on the horizon.

Let it excite you; let it energize you; let it be an opportunity of which you’re in on the ground floor.

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V_Shtrum t1_ja8q5d3 wrote

I think attorneys are much more likely to be augmented by AI than replaced in our working lifetimes. Even if the technology is there, lawyers enjoy privileges and professional protection that won't be granted to algorithms. Seems like a comparatively safe bet compared with management consulting or copywriting for example.

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PlaintiffSide t1_ja8qg9w wrote

I can imagine some practice areas being wiped out and attorneys being augmented by AI means many attorneys would be made obsolete—one attorney with a good AI would be more productive than one attorney overseeing a handful of associates.

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V_Shtrum t1_ja8s4yi wrote

>I can imagine some practice areas being wiped out

Don't know the specifics, but as a layman I can imagine a lot of people might get some DIY legal advice from an algorithm, may reduce the number of consultations to firms and reduce revenue.

>one attorney with a good AI would be more productive than one attorney overseeing a handful of associates.

Agreed, easy to forsee this, will be the same with software devs though most seem in denial about it.

However:

  1. The legal profession is practical as well as intellectual: representing clients in court, seeing the whites of their eyes, communicating good and bad news, counseling clients, convincing a judge, literally twisting clients arms etc.

  2. Lawyers enjoy legal protection not afforded to other professionals / AI. There's nothing stopping me using ChatGPT to code, but ChatGPT can't represent me in court.

  3. The courts (etc) are very conservative and resistant to technological change.

Still think it's a safer bet then many other fields.

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GayHitIer t1_ja7fyjz wrote

You said it yourself, just live your life and be thankful for every day.

There really isn't anything else to do.

If we survive we will maybe get something closer to an utopia if not.... better pray that AI has some mercy upon its creators.

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banaca4 OP t1_ja7gcvh wrote

but do you actually live like that? do you base your decisions given a very short timespan?

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GayHitIer t1_ja7hds6 wrote

It depends, I myself live quietly and don't really risk life everyday.

It's a combination of both I think.

You should enjoy yourself, but it doesn't mean you should gamble your entire life savings and risk everything.

Balance is key, and it is golden.

I am most likely gonna wake up tomorrow if not, I will be too dead to care.

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play_yr_part t1_ja7ztc9 wrote

I'm right there with you man. I thought the same thing about it feeling like a cancer diagnosis, but am wary of using it out of these types of sub reddits as I think it'll be a little crass as most people wouldn't equate the two in their mind yet.

I resent that it's happened so early in my life when I was just getting used to living within the current framework. This has absolutely plagued my mind the last two weeks. I can't even imagine where we'll be in 6 months. If I'm not doing an activity that I'm completely engrossed in then this stuff is always near the front of my thoughts.

I've had times in my life when I've been struck with intrusive thoughts, but the unique thing about these recent developments is that it's a constant despite feeling being broadly happy with my life. Before I used to get them in the midst of moderate to severe depression. I have a partner who loves me despite my flaws and a baby who is several months old who I love spending time with while he is learning and growing. To think I he will come of age in a totally different society or not at all if there's a rogue/dispassionate AGI is absolutely wrecking my head. Idk if we'll be afforded the time to solve the issue that come with AI as we have had with climate change/other existential threats to humanity/times of huge societal upheaval.

I think that's why it's hitting me much, that the structure we had in life could be radically altered in less than a decade and the way I thought I would grow older and raise my child is disappearing before my eyes. Despite social dynamics changing ( I probably would have been a way more distant father even 20 years ago) constantly there's been nothing for a while that has completely altered the basic framework of a human life like AI has the potential to. And that's a huge, constant mindfuck even if it could be to our betterment in some ways.

I aim to live my life to the point where I'm mainly in the moment and enjoying life with loved ones and pray that the people driving progress in these fields have the sense to slow things down a little. I seriously need a break from reading about this for like a decade lol. wake me up when the singularity/apocalypse happens.

You have to hedge a little bit though in terms of what to expect in the future. Not saying you shouldn't enjoy your life but at least put some of your money in some mid term investments/savings accounts and don't completely quit your job, or if you do try to find an income stream that allows you to dip in and out of it. We don't know how people across the world will react to more AI entrenchment and the disruption it will cause. As much as I think most people will end up like the people in Wall E, it's not enough of a sure thing to completely throw out any plans for the future, just most of them.

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vohveliii t1_ja7jr1p wrote

It is the same thing as youe life right now. You got only so many years. Who knows, maybe you will die to cancer or car accident in two years.

Our time is limited in any case.

So working towards traditional methods to enjoy life will work, such as therapy, religion, spiritualism, life wisdom, hanging out with friends, meditation, exercise, enjoying a good meal...whatever gets your serotonin going.

Our life is always at a stake.

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No_Ninja3309_NoNoYes t1_ja7ky3p wrote

This is the end of history illusion. I had it when I was eight, eighteen, and so on. I mean, witnessing the fall of communism, the birth of the Internet, and now AI is just shocking. In the long run, none of that matters. In a billion years, Earth will be uninhabitable. Billions of years later the Sun will die and the Andromeda galaxy will crash violently into the Milky Way. We are just tiny specks on a little sphere in the galaxy. At most we can produce ASI, and AFAIK it is not like ASI can get far...

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CesareGhisa t1_ja7wsyl wrote

true to a certain extent. with a much deeper knowledge in physics we will in theory eventually leave the planet, control blackholes, move faster than light, who knows... so in the long run we are not bond to Earth only. maybe we will even avoid the heat death of the universe...

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PIPPIPPIPPIPPIP555 t1_ja7ufep wrote

Everyone should try to Bend this Change to the Positive Direction

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22HitchSlaps t1_ja8r9fx wrote

I see this kind of sentiment expressed increasingly frequently in these spaces and equally just in general life, though people outside of the AI world tend to just put it down to a more general feeling that change is coming.

I think it's wrong to dismiss this as "JuSt LiVe 4 ToDayz!" Particularly annoying if it's followed by "you could die tomorrow." I'm genuinely not trying to be a dick but ask yourself, is that advice really useful in any way? Are you applying it to your own life? Do people really live for today and love life at their 9-5, day in day out? I don't think so. Our societies have been forward thinking since the advent of farming, modern life is this on steroids, resource hoarding is the name of the game.

We can't go around telling young people who wonder what they will do in life "just live for today" that's not going to help them choose an educational path or understand what they want out of life. Personally I see this question and the attempt to answer it as a fundamental part of surviving "the singularity" as a society.

Pardon the bad metaphor but things feel pointless because we are building a house that we know will collapse. And we're not all building this house because "I just love the day to day!" No it's because we have to work to get money in order to live, working to perpetrate a system that we know is no longer fit for the future. Of course that scenario is going to cause angst, it's fundamentally insane.

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CesareGhisa t1_ja7xdy2 wrote

I think you, as many people in this kind of subreddits, are over reacting. I like all AI and tech discussion, but I am pretty sure in 5, and even in 20 actually, years our lives will not be so much different than now. My life 20 years ago (pre-smartphone, as an example) was not very different than now. Ok, next developments will be bigger, but still I think that most jobs will remain. Probably using AI we will work less hours, 4 days per weeks, and so on.. but we will carry living similarly as today. Don't quit your job, keep going, you'll be fine.

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arisalexis t1_ja80r1p wrote

ok I have some counter arguments:

The inventor of the smartphone did not ever say that smartphones can end humanity

There were never electrical engineers qualified and famous openly stating that their field can end humanity soon

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CesareGhisa t1_ja84amk wrote

in my opinion there is a huge hype these days regarding this field. its definitely a very powerful tool, but people here forget politics, social sciences, legislation and so on. When something is very dangerous, society takes action to control the risks.

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DadSnare t1_ja872si wrote

OP I bet you’ve made some very life altering assumptions. Go back over the things you are worried about and instead of just buying into the fear, examine your beliefs and make an effort to build knowledge in areas where those assumptions are made. For example, there’s no logical reason to believe that an AGI will go rogue and want to destroy humans; a commonly held belief on here. Just because a bunch of people are worried about it, doesn’t mean they know jack shit.

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play_yr_part t1_ja8b98b wrote

Sydney was (before the recent nerf) already hugely misaligned, and that's today. There are billions of dollars being put into LLMs and other models whilst even the programmers themselves cannot explain why these chatbots come to the conclusions they do. And it's not so much about "wanting to destroy us", it could destroy us without having any negative emotions to us whatsoever.

It's certainly something to think about, if not completely change your life based on it. I don't mind if people don't think it's going to be an issue, live your life. But there are people who have studied it extensively and know their "jack shit" who think it's very plausible.

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DadSnare t1_ja8ibe5 wrote

That’s fine, but even in your post I’m seeing some easy-to-claim stuff that has no solid basis. Are you sure that the programmers cannot explain why a chatbot errors out? Really? Also, who said anything about the emotional state of an AI? That’s hardly even possible because it doesn’t have an endocrine system. We may have strong emotions the way we do to help with memory formation and retrieval as much as anything else. That’s not a problem for a machine. What’s a plausible way we get destroyed? Does AI own the corporations too? How do I lose power, internet, food, etc,? The nuclear terminator version seems impossible unless we are going talk about hacking brains and adjusting behavior like crazy people think is possible.

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purple_hamster66 t1_ja88s09 wrote

That’s because you are young, prob’ly have a US-centric viewpoint, & perhaps ignored history class. This transition is tiny compared to growing up in the Great Depression, or in France before the French Revolution, or in Russia (at any time), or in many African countries, or in …

Don’t despair so much. Change is normal, so find a way to go with the flow, untethered from thinking that the past is how it should always be. And stop paying so much attention to social media & AGI guesswork; that’s not the world, for 90% of people on Earth.

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