vivehelpme t1_ja7cwyw wrote
Reply to comment by just-a-dreamer- in An ICU coma patient costs $600 a day, how much will it cost to live in the digital world and keep the body alive here? by just-a-dreamer-
What do you think will be cheaper to retain forever?
A 24/7 medical life support monitoring robot system that involves feeding an unconscious person, cleaning away waste, flipping the person over every few hours to prevent pressure ulcers, treating infections and other disease that appear in the dysfunctional body. In addition to this maintaining a future tech computer-brain interface
Or
Staffing robots into a 5 star hotel in a tropical paradise that maintains the structures and cooks food when requested by the guests
So, your plan for the future is more expensive than hopping between 5 star luxury hotels forever. Probably by a magnitude.
just-a-dreamer- OP t1_ja7fmhs wrote
I think not. In scale it does not cost that much to keep people alive already.
Besides, what would I do with a tropical island? I could have anything I want within the digital world.
There is also the costs involved. A regular FIRE plan involves decades of work in highly paid professions. Doing all that to stop working at some point in older age.
Lazy conservatives join the military for 20 years on the promise to stop working one day, lay back on Uncle Sam's dime and rant about culture and socialism.
This is all so inefficient. I think we could bring costs down 90% to keep a human alive within a range of 10k-15k a year in today's valuation. That requires a principle of 250k for life at 4% yield, that is doable to save up.
The goal of life is to work to not work one day and escape life, therefore we must aim at the most efficient way to accomplish our objective in the physical reality.
vivehelpme t1_ja7huym wrote
> In scale it does not cost that much to keep people alive already.
tell that to anyone working in the ICU and watch them die from laughter on the spot
just-a-dreamer- OP t1_ja7ik5h wrote
In that case, we wouldn't have people living in coma for years. Also countless elders are doing fine staying in bed all day.
Their minds are long gone, yet their bodies keep working regardless. Man, imagine leaving this world and cut off contact to every single conservative in existence.
A world where you truly don't interact with anybody you don't feel like. It is as close to paradise as it gets.
Any reality, any feeling can be created in a digital world one day, the height of human civilization.
vivehelpme t1_ja7ldne wrote
>In that case, we wouldn't have people living in coma for years.
It's expensive to maintain and many of these are taken off lifesupport before a few years, because what's the point when even their brain is atrophying?
>Also countless elders are doing fine staying in bed all day.
Doing fine is a massive overstatement, their muscles atrophy, they need help with everything, their risk of infection increases. And if you're awake and in bed you're still moving around and compensating position for where it starts to hurt.
I've been working in elderly care and seen patients with a long range of neurological issues and those that are just bedridden but conscious and mobile are enormously much less work than the ones with no remaining motor function and minimal responsiveness. You need more than 1 person on full time employment for each of these patients, even more when the person needs physical therapy to maintain range of motion. Their immobility leads to lots of additional problems which inevitably shorten their lifetime.
vivehelpme t1_ja7ju5b wrote
>Besides, what would I do with a tropical island?
Enjoying reality on a white beach and crystal water, the warm sea breeze in the evening. All of which already exists. No need to have not-yet existing BCI carved into your skull to enjoy a not yet existing version of a theoretical metaverse. No need for a fifty-layered industrial fundament to ensure that you don't die prematurely in a dystopian VR pod.
>I think we could bring costs down 90% to keep a human alive within a range of 10k-15k a year in today's valuation.
You can live on 10-15k USD per year in most of the world. A little bit of shelter and staple food is all you need when you're an autonomous and mobile person, the second you want to be mostly unconscious and still stay alive that cost goes past orbit.
>That requires a principle of 250k for life at 4% yield, that is doable to save up.
And then the market crashes due to disruptive robot technologies flushing out the old guard, your 4% yield on 250k turns to a 1% yield on 50k, your body is an atrophied husk that is completely immobile and your never ending wet dream is suddenly replaced by a notice of eviction screaming in your mind.
Thankfully such dystopian tech is very far off, in your lifetime you'll have to plan for normal vacations like the rest of us. Maybe you'll interact on a half-sentient passport control and a robot bartender on the way, matrix pods will remaind the stuff of scifi for another couple centuries.
just-a-dreamer- OP t1_ja7mmem wrote
The core principle of capitalism is competition. I see no value in competing to have a good life.
The nice beach is sought after by many people enjoying it. Most will bring more resources to the table than I can afford.
Thus I must go out and work to earn stores of value in competition for jobs to return to compete for nice things in life. That is wasted time and effort.
It makes more sense to get out of the game. The beach in the digital world will be the same experience, yet there is no competition for access, thus the same adventure is way cheaper.
Work shall be reduced to the bare minimum to max out the best experiences one can get his hands on.
I sincerly hope we can shut down our bodies to the bare minimum at low cost and live in the world we want to see happen. And if the body fails, who cares? It is better to die happy than dying miserable.
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