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sumane12 t1_j9j0pi7 wrote

My guy, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it outperform humans, in everything but social sciences?...


turnip_burrito t1_j9j2sg5 wrote

Yes, and it does it with only 0.4% the size of GPT3, possibly enough to run on a single graphics card.

It uses language and pictures together instead of just language.


Neurogence t1_j9jef7k wrote

What is the "catch" here? It sounds too good to be true


WithoutReason1729 t1_j9jmd05 wrote

The catch is that it only outperforms large models in a narrow domain of study. It's not a general purpose tool like the really large models. That's still impressive though.


Ken_Sanne t1_j9jxg68 wrote

Can It be fine tuned ?


WithoutReason1729 t1_j9jxy78 wrote

You can tune it to another data set and probably get good results, but you have to have a nice, high quality data set to work with.


Ago0330 t1_j9lm5ty wrote

I’m working on one that’s trained on JFK speeches and Bachlorette data to help people with conversation skills.


Gynophile t1_j9msb3s wrote

I can't tell if this is a joke or real


Ago0330 t1_j9msg1r wrote

It’s real. Gonna launch after GME moons


ihopeshelovedme t1_j9npl0j wrote

Sounds like a viable AI implementation to me. I'll be your angel investor and throw some Doge your way or something.


Borrowedshorts t1_j9ka0ta wrote

I don't think that's true, but I do believe it was finetuned on the specific dataset to achieve the SOTA result they did.


InterestingFinish932 t1_j9m2xhe wrote

It chooses the correct answer from multiple choices. it isn't actually comparable to chatGtp.


em_goldman t1_j9jzamt wrote

That’s so cool!! That’s how humans remember things, too


gelukuMLG t1_j9kftza wrote

does that prove that parameters aren't everything?


dwarfarchist9001 t1_j9knt85 wrote

It was shown recently that for LLMs ~0.01% of parameters explain >95% of performance.


gelukuMLG t1_j9kxnj4 wrote

But higher parameters allow for broader knowledge right? You can't have a 6-20B model have broad knowledge as a 100B+ model, right?


Ambiwlans t1_j9lab3g wrote

At this point we don't really know what is bottlenecking. More params is an easyish way to capture more knowledge if you have the architecture and the $$... but there are a lot of other techniques available that increase the efficiency of the parameters.


dwarfarchist9001 t1_j9lb1wl wrote

Yes but how many parameters must you actually have to store all the knowledge you realistically need. Maybe a few billion parameters is enough to store the basics of every concept known to man and more specific details can be stored in an external file that the neural net can access with API calls.


turnip_burrito t1_j9kgb2q wrote

We already knew parameters aren't everything, or else we'd just be using really large feedforward networks for everything. Architecture, data, and other tricks matter too.


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sumane12 t1_j9jz889 wrote

Atleast AI can make accurate predictions for the next character in a line of text, which is better than any religion has predicted 🤣


Fedude99 t1_j9ps9w4 wrote

Religion is just anything you have faith ("belief") in without understanding the belief justification chains (or even that there is such a thing as different kinds of links in belief justification chains).

Thus, modern atheists are religious as well as they don't actually understand the Science (tm) and "logic" that shapes their beliefs, and they end up in culture war battles no different from early religious wars.

Modern science can no longer even predict what a man or woman is, which is just as simple as predicting what color the sky is. As an atheist myself, it's important to acknowledge the win religion has on this one.


sumane12 t1_j9ptb8u wrote

Great post. I was about to counter that religion would require some kind of worship, but there's religions such Buddhism that requires no such worship.


SnooHabits1237 t1_j9rglfg wrote

Whst makes you think that atheists don’t understand the logic behind their beliefs? Religion is based off of myth and atheism is evidence based and logical.


SnooHabits1237 t1_j9rgs3w wrote

Whst makes you think that atheists don’t understand the logic behind their beliefs? Religion is based off of myth and atheism is evidence based and logical.


ninjasaid13 t1_j9js0zk wrote

"ChatGPT might be really great at sounding intelligent, but the question is, can it be empathetic? And that, not yet at least, it can't," added Franklin.

He admitted there's a chance.


gthing t1_j9kgkhy wrote

It's good at faking empathy, just like humans.


monsieurpooh t1_j9nh885 wrote

Anyone who's a staunch opponent of the idea of philosophical zombies (to which I am more or less impartial) could very well be open to the idea that ChatGPT is empathetic. If prompted well enough, it can mimic an empathetic person with great realism. And as long as you don't let it forget the previous conversations it's had nor exceed its memory window, it will stay in character and remember past events.


Bakagami- t1_j9j6f40 wrote

yup and correcr me if I'm wrong, but those aren't average humans either, those are experts in their fields


Cryptizard t1_j9j6j7x wrote

You are wrong. It’s not experts. It’s randos on mechanical Turk.


Bakagami- t1_j9j7a63 wrote

rip, they should've included expert performance as well then


Artanthos t1_j9jhm3l wrote

You are setting the bar as anything less than perfect is failure.

By that standard, most humans would fail. And most experts are only going to be an expert in one field, not every field, so they would also fail by your standards.


Bakagami- t1_j9jid4u wrote

Wtf are you talking about. It's a benchmark, it's to compare performance. I'm not setting any bar, and I'm not expecting it to beat human experts immediately.


SgathTriallair t1_j9knp1a wrote

Agreed. Stage one was "cogent", stage two was "as good as a human", stage three is "better than all humans". We have already passed stage 2 which could be called AGI. We will soon hit stage 3 which is ASI.


jeegte12 t1_j9mocmt wrote

we are a million miles away from AGI.


Cryptizard t1_j9j80kk wrote

But then they wouldn’t be able to say that the AI beats them and it wouldn’t be as flashy of a publication. Don’t you know how academia works?


Bakagami- t1_j9j8djw wrote

No. I haven't seen anyone talking about it because it beat humans, it was always about it beating GPT-3 with less than 1B parameters. Beating humans was just the cherry on top. The paper is "flashy" enough, including experts wouldn't change that. Many papers do include expert performance as well, it's not a stretch to expect it.


Cryptizard t1_j9j8qk5 wrote

The human performance number is not from this paper, it is from the original ScienceQA paper. They are they ones that did the benchmarking.


IluvBsissa t1_j9j7tmn wrote

Are you joking or serious ?


Cryptizard t1_j9j7x5v wrote

Serious, read the paper.


IluvBsissa t1_j9j81ht wrote

My disappointment is unmeasurable and my day is ruined.


coumineol t1_j9jdp9z wrote

Really? So the time has come where a small-scale AI model being smarter than "ordinary" humans is not impressive.


olivesforsale t1_j9jpxi4 wrote

Awe is so last December - impatience is the new mode. They teased us with the future, now we expect it ASAP!


Cryptizard t1_j9jxvg2 wrote

It's not ordinary humans, it's people on mechanical turk who are paid to do them as fast as possible and for as little money as possible. They are not motivated to actually think that hard.


coumineol t1_j9k4pf5 wrote

That's prejudice. You don't know that.


Cryptizard t1_j9ka13l wrote

No it is economics, they make less money the longer they stop and think about it.


Starshot84 t1_j9jne8z wrote

Only because ai isn't as morally flexible as most ppl are


rising_pho3nix t1_j9j7vs6 wrote

Can't imagine where we'll be in 10 more years of innovation..


ground__contro1 t1_j9j81ii wrote

Perhaps never having to innovate again


Atheios569 t1_j9j9hmv wrote

Yep, and where does that leave us?


GlobusGlobus t1_j9jasjc wrote

In a sex dungeon?


duboispourlhiver t1_j9jhxrd wrote

What a time to be alive


ground__contro1 t1_j9ja29h wrote

At the whims of unknown forces I expect


Ylsid t1_j9jar4n wrote

Unknown forces, like the Megacorp that controls the tech


Nico_ t1_j9jd8d4 wrote

If AIs can be optimzed to run on a single graphics cards there is no controlling this.


Ylsid t1_j9jeu7o wrote

I just hope stable diffusion isn't a one off


Queue_Bit t1_j9jt52q wrote

All it takes is one smart, slightly motivated person to make a free option that's "good enough"


Ylsid t1_j9jtgcg wrote

More than one. It takes a lot of skill, time and money, which are hard to come by if you aren't a megacorp. That isn't to say it can't happen, but that it's much more difficult than you may expect.


Queue_Bit t1_j9jtl2t wrote

Yeah In 2023


Ylsid t1_j9jzkr4 wrote

Exactly. It's very difficult to get the lead on megacorps is my point.


WithoutReason1729 t1_j9jx2u1 wrote

Language models seem to be a way steeper difficulty curve though. The difference between Stable Diffusion and image generators from like a few years before it is big, but the older models are still good enough to often produce viable output. But the difference between a huge language model and a large open-source one is a way bigger gap, because even getting small things wrong can lead to completely unintelligible sentences that were clearly written by a machine.


Queue_Bit t1_j9jyddi wrote

Yeah, for sure, but as technology improves it's just going to get easier and easier. And this technology is likely to get so good that to a normal person, the difference between the best and the world and "good enough for everyday life" is likely huge.


ToHallowMySleep t1_j9jvphi wrote

It already runs happily on last-gen hardware. I've been running it on my 10GB 3080.


walkarund t1_j9k92lw wrote

It doesn't even have to be last-gen. It works well on my 4gb GTX 970 with 8gb of ram, it is very impressive how optimized it is


Ylsid t1_j9jzigu wrote

Stable diffusion works on my 6gb 2060RTX, but I am quite sure GPT3 wouldn't


rising_pho3nix t1_j9jp2rh wrote

Exactly.. endless possibilities. Something like M3GAN could be real.


Slapbox t1_j9kovoy wrote

The first superhuman AGI will likely give its creator an insurmountable lead.


ground__contro1 t1_j9jbr1p wrote

I mean, humans have lived basically our entire lives, as a species and often individually, governed by forces we couldn’t really explain at the time. This still seems different though. Seems like no turning back. But maybe that’s been true for a long time.


unholymanserpent t1_j9jfpjq wrote

Pets to AI


Atheios569 t1_j9jivja wrote

Was leaning towards incubator for AI, but this works too lol.


unholymanserpent t1_j9jus0e wrote

Sounds scary but idk my pets are very loved and live very cushy lives with all their needs taken care of 🤷🏽


NNOTM t1_j9k6gw6 wrote

Just because humans (usually) treat pets well doesn't mean AIs will though - or for that matter, find any use in pets at all


unholymanserpent t1_j9kd99g wrote

You're right, but that doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of potential issues with this change of status. Screw pets, what's the point of having us around? The gap in intelligence between us and them could be like the difference between us and worms. AI having us as pets is definitely on the optimistic side of things


NNOTM t1_j9kecol wrote

Yeah, I pretty much agree


coumineol t1_j9jdre7 wrote

Can't imagine where we'll be in 10 more years of innovation.


sideways t1_j9jjiuq wrote

On a beach sipping strawberry daiquiri, hopefully.


skob17 t1_j9ksqkk wrote

We already have digital nomads that do this.


sprucenoose t1_j9m63h2 wrote

All of humanity compressed into the thin strip of lifeless sand comprising Earth's border between the land and salty depths, with no sustenance except a single alcoholic beverage?


metametamind t1_j9khf8n wrote

I had a wondering the other day: “what does thousand-year old computer code look like?” “Ten-thousand?” “Million?”


Anenome5 t1_j9n5alq wrote

Bam, that's the kind of thing I want to read, because that's a direct reference to singularity :)


Apollo24_ t1_j9j6zgo wrote

Makes me wonder what it'd look like if it was as big as gpt-3


ihrvatska t1_j9jvwty wrote

Or maybe working with gpt-3. Gpt-3 could call upon it when it needed a more narrowly focused expert. Perhaps there could be a group of AI systems that work together, each having a specialty.


FaceDeer t1_j9kgcvd wrote

Perhaps you could have a specialist AI whose specialty was figuring out which other specialist AI it needs to pass the query to. If each specialist can run on home hardware that could be the way to get our Stable Diffusion moment. Constantly swapping models in memory might slow things down, but I'd be fine with "slow" in exchange for "unfettered."


skob17 t1_j9ks9jw wrote

That's an interesting approach. We do the same in audits, where the main host is QA with a broad general knowledge of all processes, but for details they call in the SMEs to show all the details of a specific topic.


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Nalmyth t1_j9k0eu2 wrote

General vs specific intelligence.

Think of when you ask your brain what is the answer to 5x5.

Did you add 5 each time or did you do a lookup, or perhaps an approximate answer?


hosseinxj0152 t1_j9l5yzv wrote

I think this is already being done. Check out Langchain on huggingFace


monsieurpooh t1_j9nhlcf wrote

And one of the AI's specialty is to build better AI's


Destiny_Knight OP t1_j9iysi7 wrote

The paper:

The questions: "Our method is evaluated on the ScienceQA benchmark (Lu et al., 2022a). ScienceQA is the first large-scale multimodal science question dataset that annotates the answers with de- tailed lectures and explanations. It contains 21k multimodal multiple choice questions with rich domain diversity across 3 subjects, 26 topics, 127 categories, and 379 skills. The benchmark dataset is split into training, validation, and test splits with 12726, 4241, and 4241 examples, respectively."


FirstOrderCat t1_j9ja0i4 wrote

multimodal here means questions contain pictures.

So, it is obvious gpt would underperform since it doesn't work with pictures, lol?..


EndTimer t1_j9kl706 wrote

We would have to read the study methodology to evaluate how they were testing GPT 3.5's image context.

But in this case, multimodal refers to being trained on not just text (like GPT 3.5), but also images associated with that text.

That seems to have improved their model, which requires substantially fewer parameters while scoring higher, even in text-only domains.


FirstOrderCat t1_j9krjxb wrote

>which requires substantially fewer parameters while scoring higher, even in text-only domains.

Which tests in paper refer on text-only domains?


EndTimer t1_j9l1xxj wrote

Presumably, TXT (text context). LAN (language sciences) are unlikely to have many images in their multiple choice questions. The other science domains and G1-12 probably have majority text questions.


FirstOrderCat t1_j9l4bho wrote

What is IMG for GPT then there?

How come GPT performed better without seeing context compared to seeing text context?..


EndTimer t1_j9l4tc6 wrote

I don't know. It's going to be in the methodology of the paper, which neither of us have read.


FirstOrderCat t1_j9l8xn9 wrote

Yes, and then reproduce results from both papers, check the code to see nothing creative happens in datasets or during training, and there are much more claims in the academia than one has time to verify.


iamascii t1_j9o2v76 wrote

They used the captions instead of the images. The captions are pretty descriptive imho.


duffmanhb t1_j9jps75 wrote

So basically it's fine tuned for this specific topic, where GPT is large because it's a general dataset for multidomain use.


Spire_Citron t1_j9j7gvn wrote

This is interesting because the questions seem to be reasoning based, which is much more impressive than some of the other tests AI have done well at that are more based on knowing a lot of information, something you'd expect a LLM to excel at beyond the abilities of a typical human.


turnip_burrito t1_j9j8dmm wrote

One critique I saw in another thread is that this was "fine-tuned to hell and back" compared to GPT-3, which could explain some of the increased performance, so take that as you will.


Spire_Citron t1_j9j9n46 wrote

Fine-tuned towards taking these sorts of tests, or just more optimised in general?


duboispourlhiver t1_j9ji6qe wrote

Yes, the risk is to be over fitted for this test. I've read that too about that paper but haven't taken the time to make my own opinion. I think it's impossible to judge if this benchmark is telling or not about the model's quality without studying this for hours


Spire_Citron t1_j9lcgc9 wrote

If it was specifically taught to do this test, it is much less impressive because it probably means it won't have that level of intuition and understanding with other tasks.


monsieurpooh t1_j9ni0aa wrote

I'm curious how the authors made sure to prevent overfitting. I guess there's always the risk they did, which is why they have those AI competitions where they completely withhold questions from the public until the test is run. Curious to see its performance in those


Borrowedshorts t1_j9kcmhm wrote

Humans finetune to the test as well.


dwarfarchist9001 t1_j9kpzs8 wrote

Humans don't suffer from overfitting if they train on the same data too much.


skob17 t1_j9kt3k1 wrote

Oh they absolutely do. If the test questions have a slightly different approach, many of the hard memory learning students fail.


Lawjarp2 t1_j9jdxur wrote

It's multiple choice, choosing among 4 options is easier because you just have to consider the 4 possibilities and answer is among the 4 possibilities. But most conversations are open ended with possibilities branching out to insane levels.


Borrowedshorts t1_j9kao68 wrote

Why is it recommended to study 1.5 months for Series 7 if it's just a multiple choice test?


VeganPizzaPie t1_j9kjuth wrote

But if you have to reason out the correct answer, and do that over and over again, it doesn't matter if there are 4 options or 1000. Think about it. The bar exam and other post graduate tests have multiple choice. You think anyone could pass those? Why do they take years of study?


Lawjarp2 t1_j9liaa5 wrote

No. Once an LLM gets a keyword a lot of related stuff will come up in probabilities. Also you can go backwards on reasoning. This makes it easier for an LLM to answer if trained for this exact scenario.


hylianovershield t1_j9jd6x3 wrote

Could someone explain the significance of this to a normal person? 🤔


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gthing t1_j9kgxb8 wrote

Correct. The current chatbots will be seen as highly inefficient and archaic in like 30 days.


redpnd t1_j9je11m wrote

Not hard for a multimodal model to outperform a text only model on multimodal tasks..

Although still impressive, imagine what a scaled up version will be able to accomplish!


IluvBsissa t1_j9j8ubb wrote

I don't get it. Why are they comparing their model's performance to regular humans and not experts, like every other papers ? Does it mean these tests are "average difficulty" ? I read somewhere that GPT3.5 had a 55.5% score on MMLU, while PalM was at 75 and human experts 88.8. How would this CoT model perform on standards benchmarks, then ? I feel scammed rn.


ertgbnm t1_j9jgoi9 wrote

Read the questions on scienceQA. They are hot and not hot dog type questions


Yngstr t1_j9jzzbv wrote

Am I reading this wrong? Is the dataset used to train this model the same dataset used to test it? Not saying that's not a valid method, but that certainly makes it less impressive vs generalist models that can still get decent scores...


shwerkyoyoayo t1_j9k77rq wrote

Is it overfit to the questions on the test? i.e. has it seen the same quesitons in training?


Akimbo333 t1_j9jg1gr wrote

Yeah those multimodal capabilities are intense!


jugalator t1_j9jadh0 wrote

I think there is still a ton to learn about usefulness of the training data itself, and how we can find out what is an optimal "fit" for a LLM? Right now, the big LLM's simply have the kitchen sink thrown at them. Who's to say that will automatically outperform a leaner, high quality, data set? And again, "high quality" for us me be different to an AI?


Ohigetjokes t1_j9lh78h wrote

This reminds me of that Westworld moment where he’s talking about the frustrations trying to emulate humans, until he realized he just needs to use a lot less code (something like 18 lines).

“Turns out we’re just not that complicated.”


AustinJacob t1_j9m8vgk wrote

Considering that GPT-J can run on local hardware and it has 6B parameters this gives me great hope for the future of open-source and non-centralized ai.


Anenome5 t1_j9n56lk wrote

We learned that you can get the same result from less parameters and more training. It's a tradeoff thing, so I'm not entirely surprised. We cannot assume that GPT's approach is the most efficient one out there, if anything it's just brute force effectiveness and we should desperately hope that the same or better results can be achieved with much less hardware ultimately. And so far it appears that this is true and is the case.


NoidoDev t1_j9nelfr wrote

>same result from less parameters and more training

Thanks, good to know.


mindbleach t1_j9k3p72 wrote

More training is better and smaller networks train faster.


BasedBiochemist t1_j9khtzg wrote

I'd be interested to know what social science questions the AI was getting wrong compared to the humans.


TinyBurbz t1_j9klnc9 wrote

Wow a specialized model out preforms a generalized one?

*shocked pikachu*


DukkyDrake t1_j9mgudi wrote

This will usually be the case. A tool optimized and fit for a particular purpose will usually outperform.


alfor t1_j9kbtxf wrote

I think it’s going to get in that direction as it’s more computer efficient.

Many speciality AI mind working together like human do.

Humans also have separation in our mind: left vs rish hemisphere, cortical columns, etc.

We specialize a lot as there is not enough mental capacity in one human to cover all aspect of human knowledge.
That’s what made chatgpt even more impressive, it’s not perfect, but it cover such a wide area compared to a human.


drizel t1_j9kmtd9 wrote

In a year or two (or less even?) we'll definitely (probably) have these running locally.


Denpol88 t1_j9l10kd wrote

Can anyone ask this Bing and share with us here, please?


nillouise t1_j9lhlwo wrote

In github, I only can download the base model, is the large model private? But I think it will be more useful to me if the model is not sicence QA instead of a game player model.


norbertus t1_j9me8dv wrote

A lot of these models are under-trained

and seem to be forming a type of "lossy" text compression, where their ability to memorize data is both poorly understood, and accomplished using only a fraction of the information-theoretic capacity of the model design

Also, as indicated in the first citation above, it turns out that the quality of large language models is more determined by the size and quality of the training set rather than the size of the model itself.


Prufrock5150_ t1_j9mn6lw wrote

Why does this feel like the next "Getting DOOM to run on a pocket-calculator" challenge lol? Because I am *here* for that.


13ass13ass t1_j9n98ui wrote

It’s fine tuned on the dataset. No big whoop


koltregaskes t1_j9nmoh3 wrote

I believe OpenAI or others have said they've concluded that parameters are less important and data is more important. So the models need more data... a lot more. And text data alone won't be enough.


oceanfr0g t1_j9jjagz wrote

Yeah but can it tell fact from fiction