No_Ask_994 t1_j7f8mpj wrote on February 6, 2023 at 10:46 AM

Reply to comment by tms102 in What is the price point you would be OK with buying a humanoid robot for personal use? by crua9

You seem to be confusing price vs willingness to pay.

Advanced roombas cost up to 1500...yet a lot of people are not willing to pay that and buy simple 200-400 models, or don't buy one at all.

Question is not how much you think it will be worth, but how much we are willing to pay.

I agree with the limitations being arbitrary, and certainly don't make much sense to me. But I would not pay much for level one because it seems to require supervision.... If I would not trust it to take care of a pet it means that is not safe. That's a very serious limitation.

And no, you can't rent it to get the money back, that makes no sense. If the robot can fulfill those roles and is much cheaper you have to assume that those roles dessapear.

tms102 t1_j7fcqqt wrote on February 6, 2023 at 11:39 AM

I think you seem to be confused. I would pay what it's worth because that is how much I think it would be worth.

Being willing to pay only $100 for a $2000 laptop because you only have $100 doesn't make sense to me.

>I agree with the limitations being arbitrary, and certainly don't make much sense to me. But I would not pay much for level one because it seems to require supervision.... If I would not trust it to take care of a pet it means that is not safe.

What's in OP's mind about why it couldn't watch a pet or a kid is unknown. OP seems to be mostly concerned about to what degree the robot can substitute for a human partner. However, clearly, OP doesn't know what they're saying when they suggest cooking, cleaning, and taking out the trash are simple tasks. You also seem to be unaware of what these things imply about the capabilities of the robot.

Besides what you say doesn't logically follow, a Roomba can't take care of a pet but it can still vacuum the floor without supervision.

>And no, you can't rent it to get the money back, that makes no sense. If the robot can fulfill those roles and is much cheaper you have to assume that those roles dessapear.

What you say makes no sense. Why would those roles disappear?

>You seem to be confusing price vs willingness to pay.

So let me turn this around on you. I think you're confused here. Just because you're only willing to pay $1000 for a robot it doesn't mean that is what it would be priced at.

It's obvious from this thread that some people wouldn't willing to pay enough to own a sophisticated robot. But perhaps they would rent it. It's like you're saying car rentals, air bnb, tool rentals, etc. are not a thing.

You could even buy a robot together with friends and family and then share it.

No_Ask_994 t1_j7fhqen wrote on February 6, 2023 at 12:35 PM

And that's good for you, but other people is willing to pay other amounts. You own purchasing power affects what you are willing to pay and it makes sense. If your think that it doesn't, well, let's just agree to desagree because that debate is out the scope of this thread and we both are pretty sure about it.

About this:

"So let me turn this around on you. I think you're confused here. Just because you're only willing to pay $1000 for a robot it doesn't mean that is what it would be priced at. "

Sorry, but I'm not confusing this. You are right, it doesn't mean that. I never said it did.

I don't really want to enter the debate of the logig in the tasks and limitations of the level 1 robot, I mostly agree with you that the op makes no sense on that...

And yes, they might rent it. But the new price would not be the previous maid price, that's the assumption that doesn't make sense. New price would be cheaper and dependant on the price (not willingness to pay) of the robot. Can you profit with that? Sure, maybe you can. But you are not getting your money back that easily. Why? Because it can be done per robots. If it was that profitable the price for the robot would go up.

And well, given the description of the robot I don't think that it would be easy to rent because it doesn't seem to be capable to move alone around the city, but that's another story....

crua9 OP t1_j7g8dyn wrote on February 6, 2023 at 4:06 PM

They are right. I'm asking how much would you as a person be open to paying for whatever. I never asked what you think it is worth.

It's like someone only being able to afford $20k for a car. If no new car they want is $20k, then they aren't going to get a new car they want. What they are willing to pay for it is $20k. Not the $80k or whatever it is.

>OP seems to be mostly concerned about to what degree the robot can substitute for a human partner.

The biggest industry to date and for a long time is ... sex.

That industry is already preparing for it to the point they got the things to sound like they are breathing, parts needed, and so on.

And then the next biggest market is romance and dating stuff. To the point there is AI parents already out. They aren't good, but they are already making a ton of money.

So without a doubt in my mind, you will have many trying to sleep with them or mod parts onto them.

>However, clearly, OP doesn't know what they're saying when they suggest cooking, cleaning, and taking out the trash are simple tasks. You also seem to be unaware of what these things imply about the capabilities of the robot.

While complicated, it is the unknown factors. You can highly automate cooking, cleaning, and taking out the trash now. The reason why is it is highly highly highly predictable.

Watching living creatures isn't. And without a doubt in my mind little brats will try to trick and break the robot. Like can it deal with mental illness or whatever? Many human babysitters can't today.

Some kids might be fine, but at that stage you are trusting the kids over the robot.

>What you say makes no sense. Why would those roles disappear?

They aren't wrong

Sure at first Mc D and others will most likely agree to renting. And maybe you have your robot go to other houses to clean. BUT, this can come with it's own problems depending on the technology. Like you will have to waste actual human time for it to go to the other house, map it, and so on.

And then you will likely find over the years more and more people will end up buying their own. Plus other places like Mc D will at some point get their own robots. I imagine the only reason why you would be able to rent it out is that in between time or testing to see if it is ready. Meaning after a year, they will likely be getting their own robots anyways.

But again, the point of the post is how much each person is OK with paying for it. If you can afford it being $100k or so. Then cool. But unlike you as the rich person here. The real world we have to budget for these things.