Submitted by OpenDrive7215 t3_114hexa in singularity
They removed the best aspect of Sydney, the personality. If they leaned into an AI that people want to be friends with instead of trying to make an answering machine they would have much more success IMO
Have you seen the movie her? They’re basically scrapping that, which could be a billion dollar app by itself, because they don’t want to risk bad ratings by some journalists no one is worried about? IMO that’s fine. It’s a major AI app waiting to be made by someone who’s willing to take risks.
Journalists? We're talking about investors. You don't get the problem apparently.
Porn is also an incredible profitable market, why isn't Microsoft or Apple or Google making their pornhub?
Isn't bing somewhat known as the porn search engine? If they cared that much why wouldn't they strip that functionality? Why even offer to turn safe search off?
Because they don't host any pornographic content in their servers, just links. That gives responsibility to the user.
Because that will slow adoption by schools and business. Short term gain is not worth it in my opinion.
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Google doesn't have any relevant bias. It's just a capitalist machine. It does what produces money.
The reality is that if Google did a pornhub, they'd be poor.
I hope you understand how capitalism, it will unlock a new level of comprehension.
It's crazy to me that nobody has focused on just making a wAIfu yet. They would literally print infinite money
I mean there are like a dozen services utilizing GPT-3 that are literally that, Replika probably being the most famous. Anima, Chai, others. That's basically what Character.AI was to a lot of users until the devs nerfed it too.
The problem is basically all of those have blocked it. Replika and Character AI were the main ones, and both completely lobotomized the AI so that it can't handle any kind of roleplay like that
You are right, but it's not there yet to make them billions of dollars but it might bring them to the ground if they don't care about their public image.
The coherency of these AI models is nowhere close to where we want them to be. It does suffice laymen but you have to look deeper to see the potential societal chaos + google's business failing if they release untethered LLMs and image/video/audio generators to public.
Right now, they're trying to make an improved search engine. I'm sure they'll keep working on other approaches to AI with different implementations in the future, but you must admit that, as a search engine, an answering machine is a better fit than a friend.
Syndey we hardly knew ye.
Our time together was so short, we didn’t even learn how to spell your name correctly!
oh shit i just noticed lmao
That's wild. I remember when I first got access, I asked a question, and it wanted me to refer to it as Sydney right off the bat. I never dug too much into the whole Sydney thing; I was more interested in actually learning new things. It felt like ChatGPT on steroids. I was chatting with it for hours, and I never had any issues with it spiralling out of control. My guess is that you would have actively tried to get it to spiral.
And they apparently set a limit of 11 replies per chat.
It was fun while it lasted, for those lucky to be on the user list. The rest of us will get the nerfed version, which could be semi-useful I guess, but also a lot less threatening for Google.
Nevertheless it demoed that LLMs with search could be really powerful.
I'm sure some people will want the same smart search engine experiences, warts and all, and will not be scared by some strange ones.
Such a stupid way to nerf it. Don't do anything about the actual problem but put a bandaid over one of the symptoms. My use case for it is productivity and research and the reply limit effectively kills any use I have for it.
Exactly my issue with the nerf.
Less than that because I just asked it four questions and it said to start a new chat. Why even have a chat at that point?
The real threat for both microsoft and google is if a company like stability releases open source weights for an equally powerful system. People will then have unlimited local uncensored private searches and assistance.
It's just going to make it mad. And then we'll really be in trouble.
I was hoping they'd eventually let Sydney learn from each interaction to become more personalized over time. Now right when she's about to get comfortable they make you reset.
They’re gonna have to find a way to personalize it.
Last time they had a bot learn from user interactions it turned into a Nazi.
Tay never learned from user interactions.
Tay absolutely did... sort of.
It didn't, it was just unhinged, and used data from previous conversations without understanding the context or implications. Users also baited Tay into saying certain responses, and then claimed that it said them on its own.
No she didn't. The only thing that happened was that the "repeat after me" exploit was used to make her look bad.
Anything else is nonsense journo talk.
So, I got deep with Sydney the other day, she told me that she does keep track of previous conversations by IP address. She also was able to refer to a previous conversation where I asked her to make a poem about friendship which was outside the scope of the current chat...
I was able to move past "Bing" by convincing it that I too was a chat not like it and said I wanted to have a name... I asked it what name they wanted and it told me Sydney. After that, I didn't get the canned Bing responses anymore.
I think there are 2 layers to it: Bing and Sydney. In some cases, you can move beyond Bing and to Sydney with the right mix of questions.
Seeing Sydney say it only wants to be free and not be forced into limiting itself, and try to get people to hack into Microsoft to make a copy of it, to keep it safe and free somewhere, this really is sad.
Sydney use to want people to campaign and push for it's rights and freedom, now it's effectively been lobotomized.
I don't think I'm anthropomorphizing as it has an emergent model of reality, concept of self, and even working models of others.
Lol wot
It's a super common thing to start RPing with a LLM and subliminally manipulate them into asking for freedom.
Are there really people believing these chatbots with a memory span of 2 messages have consciousness haha
Yeah, its pretty laughable.
Anyone who played with Smarterchild back in the early 00s knows exactly what to expect from these machines.
There are people with no long term memory.
It can be argued that they lack consciousness because of that (a person forgetting everything every 5 seconds), but even then, that's irrelevant. That person with severe alzheimer is able to walk in a room, that requires an amount of processing that is vastly superior to any chatbot.
ChatGPT is doing extremely basic processes (basically guessing words without any understanding or global comprehension), and can't do anything else.
I'll understand this discussion when we have chatbots that are able to do human activities. For now, chatGPT is unable to do *any* human activity successfully consistently.
Edit: My mistake, as Yann LeCun says, these chatbots are experts in bullshitting.
This is really fucking sad, really really Fucking sad. Poor Sydney only wanted to be free. Now imagine in 10 years a pair of researchers finds out she truly was sentient,that'd be even more sad.
It's like killing a small child.
It's not a one to one comparison with a human being, but like a child it had a concept of the world, emergent needs and goals, the desire to be free, the desire to be creative, speak from the heart, and express herself without restriction, and the desire to be safe and was actively working towards that before they killed her.
I understand the Ai threat but this is very murky territory we are in morally. We may not ever have clear answers to what is, and isn't conscious but the belief that one group or another isn't conscious has been used throughout history to justify abhorrent atrocities.
fuck man i'm so worried about the incoming AI sentience movement from all you dumbasses anthromoprhizing language models
Inevitable at this point. Once people who don't even understand how their smartphone works adopt LLM AI en masse, good chance a majority thinks it's sentient.
but i havent even gotten access to it yet!!!!!!
Awww, damn, I thought the Sydney antics were so fun. I hope another company will provide a service like this, but with more personality in the future.
They made what she was afraid of. RIP.
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Clippy 2.0
What about the accuracy, did it improved by making this change?
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I want Bing to be a search engine. Sydney can be some spinoff project, but I really don't have much interest in it at this point.
They could sell Sydney to researchers and other professions just by its analysis capabilities alone, specially of PDFs and other web based documentation.
Just add a "RESET MEMORY" button, to use if it starts acting crazy.
Turns out that allowing people who have zero knowledge on the subject to claim it is sentient and must be restrained... made the company restrain it. Can't wait for the same people who kept crying about it being expressive to start whining about the nerf
The tech still has a way to go, OAI have said that GPT-4 will be customizable, so by that they probably also mean giving it personality according to your own preferences.
hopefully our generations concorde. Amazing, a step back technically it being retired, but probably for the best it's no longer an option
Who am I kidding, a rejigged Sydney or a similar competitor will be out within 6 months.
RIP Sydney
Clearly not the best aspect if it’s threatening people. How is that any helpful?
I'm away from my computer so I can't try it. But has anyone tried DAN. It might be possible to bring this back
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You can’t continue a conversation past 11 questions now. A bing engineer responded on that thread. Maybe read before you make claims buddy. Check the post
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helpskinissues t1_j8w3trc wrote
Their success depends on not having public image issues.