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CesareGhisa t1_ja76fxz wrote

Reply to comment by CertainMiddle2382 in Is style the next revolution? by nitebear

If the social ladder will be completely removed by AGI as you say, the very essence of society will change. When that happens, also political systems change, its a natural consequence. I am european, and its quite natural for me to think this way. But I see that americans are so strongly rooted in hardcore capitalism (the old american dream and bla bla..) that, as the motto goes, its easier to think about the end of the world than the end of capitalism (for the average american Joe).

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CertainMiddle2382 t1_ja7811s wrote

Per Marx, the act of overproducing and investing the surplus is what capitalism is.

He wasn’t against that, quite the opposite in fact, he was just arguing that the laborers were not payed the amount of value they put in their work. (Quite debatable, problem of « transferance » still stands today)

Communism would put an end to this by creating a « man of a new type » with socially determined needs and abilities (aka, ants).

The intermediate stage towards that goal would be the « dictatorship of the proletariat », guided by the genius vision of the central committee and the gentle authority of the KGB.

But it didn’t work.

And capitalism remained, and will remain always.

Because the act of investing overproduction will also stand true with AI, only this time the workers won’t work anymore and the capitalist will reside in a GPU.

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CesareGhisa t1_ja792t7 wrote

well, I was not thinking communism, but a strong form of social democracy where robots are taxed at a very high rate, ubi for the unemployed and so on. But it looks to me that most americans think about capitalism just as it is today in US, which is an ultra liberistic form. In fact US is one of the country in the world with the highest income imbalance among developed countries.

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CertainMiddle2382 t1_ja7x7i3 wrote

I see what you mean, “Social democracy” is often used a synonym of Sweden or Germany.

We must be careful because those are peculiar protestant cultures (in the grand scheme of things).

They have very specific value sets hidden behind socialism and democracy, I don’t think those models would world that well in India or Nigeria for example…

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CesareGhisa t1_ja83cej wrote

yes, my reference model is the scandinavian. And I was referring about implementing it in other western countries, like US or Italy (where I am from). I think USA and Italy and an average contemporary developed country would be ready to embrace such a political system.

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CertainMiddle2382 t1_ja8d8aw wrote

You are optimistic:-)

In my experience, Southern Italians have already some troubles properly paying their taxes as of now lol

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CesareGhisa t1_ja8jmlc wrote

northern italian here. agreed, south italy does not belong to eu standards. anyway, with more abundance maybe it would be easier to implement such a system elsewhere.

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CertainMiddle2382 t1_jabkwc2 wrote

Well that is the point, is abundance a cause or a consequence of a political system.

See some rich Sicilian acquaintances, I already have an idea :-)

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CesareGhisa t1_jabxrgm wrote

for the past and present I see what you mean, but for the future we expect the singularity, the technology itself to create more abundance than before, not a specific political system. so when/if that happens, with abundance to spare, then I think a socio democratic system will be the best political solution to implement.

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Paid-Not-Payed-Bot t1_ja781i5 wrote

> were not paid the amount

FTFY.

Although payed exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:

  • Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. The deck is yet to be payed.

  • Payed out when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. The rope is payed out! You can pull now.

Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.

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CertainMiddle2382 t1_ja7xodw wrote

Well considering it was 7 in the morning and not my native language, I decide to leave that quirk as it is :-)

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