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CertainMiddle2382 t1_jb9m08p wrote
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I dont get your point.
The programmer doesn’t speak Klingon though the program can write good Klingon. AlphaZero programmers don’t play go though the program can beat the best human go players in the world.
By definition being better than a human at something means being « super intelligent » at that task.
Intelligence theory postulates G, and that it can be approximated with IQ test.
« Super intelligent AI » will then by definition only need to show a higher IQ than either its programmers or the smartest human.
Nothing else.
Postulating the existence of G, it is well possible that ASI (by definition again) will be better at other tasks not tested by the IQ test.
Rewriting a better IQ version of itself for example.
Recursively.
I really dont see the discussion here, these are only definitions.
vivehelpme t1_jbep9br wrote
>I dont get your point.
I guess my point is superintelligent by your definitions
>The programmer doesn’t speak Klingon though the program can write good Klingon.
It have generalized a human made language.
>AlphaZero programmers don’t play go though the program can beat the best human go players in the world.
It plays at a generalized high-elite level. It's also a one trick pony. It's like saying a chainsaw is superintelligent because it can be used to saw down a tree faster than any lumberjack does with an axe.
>« Super intelligent AI » will then by definition only need to show a higher IQ than either its programmers or the smartest human.
So we could make an alphago that only solve IQ test matrices, it will be superintelligent by your definition but it will be trash at actually being intelligent.
>I really dont see the discussion here, these are only definitions.
Yes, and the definition is that AI is trained on the idea of generalized mimicry, it's all about IMITATION. NOT INNOVATION.
This is all there is, you caulculate a loss value based on how far from a human defined gold standard the current iteration lands and edit things to get closer. Everything we have produced in wowy AI is about CATCHING UP to human ability, there's nothing in our theories or neural network training practices that are about EXCEEDING human capabilities.
The dataset used to train a neural network is the apex of performance that it can reach. You can at best land at a generalized consistently very smart human level.
CertainMiddle2382 t1_jbeq0si wrote
You are obviously mistaken.
As you know well zero shot learning algorithms beat anything else, saw a DeepMind analysis postulating that it allows them to explore part of the gaming landscape that were never explored by humans.
And you seem to be moving lampposts as you move along.
What is the testable characteristics that would satisfy you to declare the existence of an ASI?
For me it is easy, higer IQ than any living human, by defnition. Would that change something, you can argue it doesnt, I bet it will change everything.
vivehelpme t1_jbexk7n wrote
>As you know well zero shot learning algorithms beat anything else
It doesn't create a better training set out of nothing.
> it allows them to explore part of the gaming landscape that were never explored by humans.
Based on generalizing a premade dataset, made by humans.
If an AI could just magically zero-shot a better training set out of nowhere we wouldn't bother making a training set, just initailize everything to random noise and let the algorithm deus-ex-machina it to superintelligence out of randomness.
>What is the testable characteristics that would satisfy you to declare the existence of an ASI?
Something completely independent is a good start for calling it AGI and then we can start thinking if ASI is a definition that matters.
>For me it is easy, higer IQ than any living human, by defnition. Would that change something, you can argue it doesnt, I bet it will change everything.
So IQ test solving AI are superintelligent despite not being able to tell a truck apart from a house?
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