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dokushin t1_jdz8yyi wrote

Reply to comment by RealFrizzante in The goalposts for "I'll believe it's real AI when..." have moved to "literally duplicate Einstein" by Yuli-Ban

Then where does the poetry come from?

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RealFrizzante t1_jdzchr9 wrote

Picks up lines that fulfill the requirements

I am not saying that isnt impressive or useful, just that it isnt original really.

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dokushin t1_jdzhja7 wrote

But none of the lines exist anywhere prior to their use by the AI in the poem. Where did the lines come from?

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RealFrizzante t1_jdzo6qw wrote

How are you so certain?

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dokushin t1_je0p6kh wrote

You propose that there is a secret database that doesn't show up on any search containing rhymes in every meter for every topic, name, and location?

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RealFrizzante t1_je0qjon wrote

Lol no, not at all.

The rhyming is pattern recognition, or in this case pattern assembly, which is something this AI is very cappable of.

But that has nothing to do with AGI

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dokushin t1_je0yg59 wrote

I was addressing original thought. Do you think employing pattern recognition prevents a thought from being original?

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RealFrizzante t1_je0z9wm wrote

Not necesarily.

I see two problems, regarding this AI being unrelated to AGI: -Literally a prompt. -Throwback chuncks of non original material.

I would agree that human original thought does use previous knowledge and AI should be "Allowed" to.

But it misses the point. Artificial General Intelligence should act on demand and without it. If it only acts on demand it is not AGI, moreover atm afaik it is cappable of doing tasks it has been trained for, in a specific field of knowledge.

It is very much lacking the general in AGI.

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dokushin t1_je18mky wrote

> moreover atm afaik it is cappable of doing tasks it has been trained for, in a specific field of knowledge

This isn't true; the same GPT model will happily do poetry, code, advice, jokes, general chat, math, anything you can express by chatting with it. It's not trained for any of the specific tasks you see people talk about.

As for the on demand stuff -- I agree with you there. It will need to be able to "prompt itself", or whatever the closest analogue of self-determination is.

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RealFrizzante t1_je195fe wrote

All those are through a console. It parses text, and outputs text.

AGI will be able to intervene in the world via all means a human can.

Tldr: Your experience and history as a human, irl is more than just what you have read and written throughout your life. And AI atm only does text, or images, sometimes both. But there are lots of things missing.

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dokushin t1_je30otj wrote

Eh, from the LLM's perspective, all I am is words on a console, no? I don't think they have too much in the way of rich experience, yet, but it's possble for them to experience the world in some way we don't understand.

Regardless, I don't think that's necessary for general intelligence; what about people born blind? Deaf? Does that diminish their capacity as a sentient being? I agree that some level of connection with the environment is necessary, but I don't think it has to look exactly like the human experience.

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