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Jim_Panzee t1_iqztlva wrote

>Who is talking about magic here?

The initial comment is.

And my view on consciousness is, that it is nothing more than the byproduct of the need to develop spatial awareness. Like shadow is a byproduct of light hitting an object. "lol"

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stillwtnforbmrecords t1_iqzx7ui wrote

So you are pretty much alone, specially among actual specialists and people who actively study consciousness.

Spatial awareness may be a component of sapience. But consciousness has nothing to do with sapience. Being self-aware may very well be a simple biological mechanism that emerged from evolutionary needs. Just like all brain processes. So it’s quite remarkable that almost no scientists studying consciousness nowadays believe it is “generated” in the brain. So all in all, that consciousness is not either emergent nor a characteristic OF the brain.

The only people who think this like you are strict materialists who never studied consciousness, and go on the outdated model that consciousness = mind.

Also, I think you misunderstood the first comment a lot man… Just because we might never be able to access the “higher-level physics” doesn’t mean it’s magic.

I for one believe we have limitations as humans, namely logic and our senses. We are in many ways bound by rationality and logic, which likely arose from evolution and not any metaphysical truth. And our senses (even our more abstract senses, such as our imagination) are equally limited by biology and our evolution.

Bound by evolution in the sense that they evolved to help us survive. Not to find “truth”. So they are at best imperfect for that end, and at worst totally useless.

So yes, it’s possible the problem of consciousness is “unbreakable” for humans. We might need some “higher” being to help us, such as AI (and yes I know this contradicts the original comment a bit, never said I 100% agree with them).

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traumfisch t1_ir00v4i wrote

Then it's a very, very, very, very, very quirky "by-product of a need for spatial awareness" indeed.

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Jim_Panzee t1_ir07fcg wrote

Have you ever seen Conway's game of life? It's full of very quirky byproducts of very simple rules.

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traumfisch t1_ir082l1 wrote

Consciousness isn't comparable nor analogous to anything I can think of

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