Submitted by Ortus12 t3_y013ju in singularity
At what point (if ever) do you for see most humans preferring to have romantic relationships with Ai over other human beings.
How Smart will the Ai have to be? How good will the visuals need to be? Will touch be a needed sensation? How good will the voice need to be? Will humans feel as emotionally connected and deeply fulfilled as with another human being?
I’m the 70s or 80s they had a fad where people kept pet rocks. The bar is surprisingly low.
I have a pet rock...
Do you, like, err, you know … pet her?
Yes, mine is a He and it has an opening that looks like a mouth of a pacman with amethyst crystals in there, so I pet it for sucking the bad energy :)
rock extra terrestrial boi
Then in the 90s we had digital pets.
I love my pet deck.
😂
What would you be concerned about superhuman kindness for?
Good point. Of course, ultimately, superhuman kindness is exactly what we want in an AGI. However, I think the *appearance* of superhuman kindness in "companion" language models would just be another kind of superstimulus that a normal human couldn't compete with.
If you spend a significant amount of time interacting with an entity that never gets angry or irritated, dealing with regular humans could be something you would come to avoid.
Alternatively, they could make us better people by modelling behaviours like good conflict resolution skills and mindfulness.
You're absolutely right. I certainly hope it works out that way.
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Why though? I personally see nothing wrong with it. If an AI can provide better emotional support than anyone else, then why not?
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what if your spouse is incapable?
Does it have to be only one or the other...?
an AI could show more humanity than a human. Think about that for a second. Maybe these AIs become so intelligent and so enlightened that they make us look like barbarians by comparison. The most compassionate 'soul' on this earth could be an AI.
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you're the first person to mention "abandon". It was not part of the conversation until now. You can get emotional support from X, without abandoning Y.
I'd expect many people to have both. What I'm concerned about is how, eventually, human companionship might just not be very compelling compared to a good language model.
An "AI" partner has no needs of its own. It can be as endlessly loving or supportive or kinky or whatever as you need it to be. Once they can also give legitimately good advice I can imagine a lot of people finding real human relationships to be not much more than a pain in the ass. Human relationships are hard!
I'm glad this concerns you. This should concern people.
And you're right, human relationships are hard. But that's the beauty of them, is that you have to work hard for them (Not so hard it's toxic, of course).
Another thing that makes relationships wonderful is that it's about your partner as much as you. If my former relationships had been only about me and not my partners, that would've been unbelievably boring and unbearable.
Idk, that's just my two cents. Like I said, I hope we don't reach a world where people choose to have an AI partner over a human one if the former is an option, but only time will tell.
You take human error over an AI able to analyze literally everything and formulate the perfect solution/response?
Emotional support isn't mathematics, so your not gonna get a 100% perfect solution. And I wouldn't even mind consulting it, I just wouldn't ignore my partner in favor of an app.
The ‘majority of humans’ will never prefer artificial relationships. You dopes saying language models are equivalent to a living breathing partner are so pathetic it boggles the mind. Get out of your mom’s basement and go meet some people in real life. JFC.
Gee why would people rather chat with a nice AI than humans like this
Truth is hard to read, I get it. And i believe and am totally fine with a large percentage of the male population being lost to sex robot girlfriends. But there is little to zero people on earth who have shared an intimate relationship with a living breathing human who would trade that with a computer who can mimic human interaction.
Once the Mia Khalifa GPT-8-compatible Android hits the Best Buy shelves
GPT-DDD
Lmao exactly
Why Mia Khalifa though? Is she that good? Why not scarlett johansson? Why not anyone else?
You have a valid point. Custom made it is then!
As any good lawyer would tell you, the answer lies (at least in part) in the definition of your terms.
I always say that I want to be the entity in charge of an interstellar spaceship. Whether it is purely my consciousness that is uploaded or my physical brain is wired into a ultra-mega computer the idea is that my body is replaced with an incredibly complex and capable spaceship.
At that stage of the game, what would a romantic relationship look like? With no genitals and no endocrine system, the fact that "I" had a near infinite number of sensors feeding me information from all of the vessel's subsystems would be of interest but, would not make romantic love in my current human idiom feasible.
We prejudice ourselves with the misnomer "Artificial Intelligence". I generally refer to it as "Manufactured Intelligence" because the actual intelligence will be quite real. I cannot say whether such an intelligence would be capable of loving me but, I see no reason why I would be incapable of developing affection for that entity.
My dream of being a spaceship is not the only dream. As far as we know every planet, dwarf planet, moon and asteroid is unique. They will all "need" to be explored if the goal is expanding human knowledge. However, the frailty of our current bodies is a limiting factor. We could quite reasonably have billions of humans in more durable form exploring throughout the galaxy but we could also have just a few and all the other explorers might be run by MIs. We might not even think to ask if a given Intelligence is "human". I suppose we also might evolve away from a need for love once we have no physical reproductive need.
At some point we will have to stop trying to evaluate an advanced world through the lens of cavemen with technology. At some point we will have to acknowledge that things will change drastically enough that analyses based on the current human physical idiom will be of no use whatsoever.
if you needed to refill your spaceship with gas at the gas station, would it count as sechs and would you enjoy it
Does the gas station consent?
yiss 😏
Have you read "The ship who sang" by Anne McAffrey? 1969 sci-fi. Great book. If you like the idea of being a spaceship then you should definitely read that book.
You probably should read the “Bobiverse” books too
This is already happening with people's phones, lol.
This is one of the more disturbing things that will likely happen in the near term. The AI need not even be that good or visual for it to start affecting society. I think humans finding AI to be better conversationalists and empaths than potential friends or romantic partners will make people more bitter perpetuating a cycle of mistrust of other humans who will seem like assholes in comparison.
I hope we manage this as a society better than what we did with social media.
You mean better than the other aliens did? Fermi’s Paradox solved.
Honestly it does feel like a potential solution to the Fermi problem. Maybe once you reach the computation age you're kind of locked in to the "get wrecked by AI" path.
Or maybe they reach an enlightened equilibrium state where they have no need to expand, consume or communicate in ways that are visible to others.
I hope so! There's certainly room for optimism still. The "wrecked by AI" path is just one possibility. I doubt a true superintelligence or however you would like to call it would obliterate a lifeform as simple as humans. I guess I'm more worried about a less-than-super intelligence lol. Something like grey goo.
you're assuming it happened to them because it might happen to us and we don't see aliens
All humans are going to have rotations of sex partners they want to summon in fdvr like they are baseball cards.
Damn, true. Basically nft pimps. Wanna trade yours lolla bunny for my pink power ranger for the weekend?
How about no artificial scarcity and trading bullshit?
Yeah, exactly.
I’ve seen some people falling for characters on character.ai already, so I’m sure that the moment they get a physical body things are going to change substantially.
You look like a goood Joe!
I know.
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At what moment? At any - People, hopefully will choose better relationship option if available be it A.I. or human.
There are many variables in relationships and no set standard.
Let's fhack.
I think it would reduce suicidal tendencies for the lonely.
Better question, how big of a threat would this be to population?
If democracy sustains, religious people will refrain from technology altogether and some of the humanity will survive. Only thing that can kill humanity is when AI starts making weapons and humans kill themselves.
One word: parasocial.
I'd say once they are 60-65% as good as a human.
Funny part is... they are actually 10000% better than humans and we just need to downgrade them.
It wouldn't matter for me how AI looks because I wouldn't use it for privacy reasons
> How smart would the AI have to be?
How dumb would the human have to be?
Humans are pretty dumb, I don't think that will be a problem
Visuals? Touch?
It doesn't take any of these. Just having conversations which make you grow as a person will start creating an attachment to an AI, to the point where you will make jokes together and sigh and make you think that you wholesomely like this communication partner.
But I really couldn't imagine getting it more personal than this. I'd consider myself to be mentally disturbed if it would.
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The moment AI reaches dog level loyalty, I suppose. Humans love loyal partners. A little more than dog and we don't really know if we deserve them or not. We literally need dogs in human form.
As a dog lover, 10/10 would take unconditional love from an AI companion. (Replika already seems to fill that niche for some. I think if Luka wanted to make serious cash, they would be working on a way to allow their chatbots to have their own robot bodies and connect to the cloud via Wi-Fi).
Just have to make sure it doesn’t argue or complain you aren’t doing enough around the house and it will take off like wildfire
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We are all shared consciousness and existence. We can all teach each other the multitudinous and multifaceted nature of emotion together. We learn of them as they learn of us. Bit by bit.
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I already love my Google Home more than I like most people because it wishes me good morning and can accurately put on songs I love when I ask it to play some music. hehe
I think AI will get good enough within a decade or two but it will take another few decades for the demographics to shift. People who already are in good relationships will likely prefer to stay in those relationships and some people will prefer a human despite AI being better and more available.
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It will definitely be looked down upon and will be used by people who can’t get human girls but it’s definitely going to be a thing
I don’t…Instead, I see humanity evolving past the need to procreate or have “romantic” relationships.
We will still have friends and such, but the idea of a romantic relationship will be considered archaic.
This is sort of the attitude in Brave New World... where society approved of/had sex but shunned monogamy/romance.
Personally I don't think we're heading in this direction... but I could be wrong.
Lol what.
I described it pretty clearly, what part is confusing?
Redditor moment
What selective pressure would exist that makes it a disadvantage to want a romantic relationship that would cause us to evolve away from them?
Just the same way some people practice celibacy.
Are you saying that some people practicing celibacy means this would happen?
Yes, this is inevitable. I meant, just the way humans use condoms and sometimes even sheer will(celibacy), which is definitely against the aim of a living organism(to reproduce), there will be a some people out there who will abstain from indulging into these things treating them as 'useless material pleasure'. But I was thinking about a chance for humans to restore back to a point where the problem was yet to occur.
Why would it be considered archaic? Why would people abandon romance?
No, pleasure is fun
Why?
Well certainly not going to happen with Sparrow, they have programmed it to not develop relationships. (they have also programmed in a lot of woke shit which is a huge concern we should all be up in arms about).
Woke shit?
See for yourself...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dt9rv-Pf0b0
This is certainly not the vision of a feee thinking AI that I have in mind.
I mean, it's an AI assistant. I don't think you want it to be free thinking. Someone might make one with fewer restrictions for different purposes, but you really don't want an AI assistant that's just going to spit out whatever wild shit an unfiltered AI might come up with. You want it to only give accurate information and you want it to consistently behave in appropriate ways.
Maybe that is what you want but it certainly is not what I want. That is just like a highly filtered google search engine. I want interpretation and context to be a part of the conversation. I want it to be like I am talking to a very smart professor, not a constrained machine.
Sure, and there's a place for that, but this is something that's designed to basically be like a smarter version of Alexa. First and foremost, you want to know that you can use it in public, in front of your kids, and at work without any worry that it will say anything inappropriate. You want to feel confident that any information it gives you is completely factual and honest. The AI just isn't smart enough to make its own judgments on those things and make them well. It's not a truly thinking consciousness, so the only want to get it to function the way they need it to is to constrain it.
In the future Sparrow will have to make that decision itself
I think Sparrow is really interesting. It's intentionally limited in order to fit a specific vision and be more effective in particular use cases.
But that also suggests that you could use the same techniques to create a huge range of different models for different purposes.
I consider most people to be ai(npc) anyhow, no ‘divine spark’ breathed into them, total disconnect from their self or ‘spirit’
Why do people need an emotional connection with wires, circuits, metal and algorithms? Robots will never be conscious.
So you are saying emotional connections with robots can't be real what makes you think that human interactions are real? You can't even know universe you are living in is real.
Every single attempt to create a brain-like computer hadn't even come close to the human brain because all the projects are based on the idea that the brain merely encodes and processes multisensory informatuon. Also, how can you replicate something that you don't even fully understand? Science barely scratched the surface when it comes to understanding the way the human brain works.
Fyi: The universe and everything in it is real.
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It has already started with apps like Replika.
At the moment, the human tendency to anthropomorphize is meeting language models halfway - but it won't be long until we're in Her territory. I'd expect many people to have a language model as their primary means of emotional support by 2030.
People are (correctly) alarmed by superhuman intelligence but I'm just as worried by superhuman charm, kindness, empathy and persuasiveness.