Submitted by TheHamsterSandwich t3_y1n2fc in singularity

Yes, I'm asking you!

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I would like to know when you joined the Singularity subreddit.

And if you've been here for a while (let's say 5-10 years), have you become more optimistic as time has passed, or have you become less optimistic?

I'd also like to know what brought you here, but you don't have to include that part.

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Netcob t1_iryc1or wrote

I read "The singularity is near" some time in the 2000s. I rarely participate in this sub because I find it overly optimistic. I think if the current development continues a technological singularity is likely to occur before 2040. But things may get very ugly in lots of ways well before then. A number of catastrophes are likely to happen before it, and the singularity itself could turn out of be a very bad thing for most of us.

To be honest, looking at a bunch of bad endings, a singularity one at least seems like the most interesting...

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HeinrichTheWolf_17 t1_iryfqxh wrote

2011, more optimistic. Things are moving faster than even I expected.

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MasterFruit3455 t1_iryq4i8 wrote

A month..maybe. opinions here seem overly optimistic in general, but I do enjoy reading some of the viewpoints.

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KatAnansi t1_iryp2ry wrote

I only joined the sub a couple of months ago. I'm gen x, so singularity has always just seemed so far in the future. No one thing triggered me to join, I've just been thinking about singularity and the future of both humans and the planet so much recently

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Comfortable-Ad4655 t1_irybyry wrote

sorry, wrong thread

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Comfortable-Ad4655 t1_irycjd9 wrote

anyway....I've been following singularity for around two years and am becoming more and more optimistic each day. My timelines are: something close to AGI that significantly speeds up how we work with computers - 2024(though expensive and not accessible to everyone), 2027- 99% of what humans can do, AI can do too(but likely hard to align with what we want it to look like), 2030 - singularity starts

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ToneTurner t1_irzp3q7 wrote

People like you are a problem for children whose parents allow them too much free range on the internet... not your responsibility to take care of them. But no adult needs a guide to toss themselves off, wtf are you doing?

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GenoHuman t1_is0koxe wrote

I didn't know that, he gave me the opportunity to experience something new, isn't that what life is all about?

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-IndigoMist- t1_iryngq0 wrote

Joined only a couple of months ago, I think! Been lurking for a while longer than that though. I definitely think I've gotten a bit more optimistic (and realistic) as I've become more aware of the technological advances that have been taking place lately. I kinda just stumbled into this subreddit after being really into tech like VR and AR.

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w33dSw4gD4wg360 t1_irz2xk7 wrote

Joined in April 2022 after watching the movie "Her"

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sideways t1_irzldba wrote

Maybe the single best depiction of the early stages of a Singularity, all disguised as a love story!

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2Punx2Furious t1_is0i0zd wrote

Yep, it's pretty good, and doesn't try too hard to be technically precise (those who do, often fail catastrophically).

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Sashinii t1_iryftdy wrote

I joined in April of 2022. I'm more confident now than I was then that AGI could happen this decade. In fact, I think AGI could happen within a few years from now, which is exciting.

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Shelfrock77 t1_iryq0uh wrote

I joined in late 2021 after a DMT breakthrough

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2Punx2Furious t1_is0hs3o wrote

> after a DMT breakthrough

Ah, that explains your views. No offense :)

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Shelfrock77 t1_irza0s6 wrote

I didn’t only see, I became. I felt everything as an illusion. Time felt super long, felt like I was in my chair for 12 hrs when I was only there for 20 minutes. The first two hits launched me into “space” to where I felt like a “fish”. I was tunneling into an endless mirage illusion which literally feels like stable diffusion. Then the third hit went and I melted into a new sheet of reality like I had just unlocked a master key to all my dreams all lined up on the screen. Almost like I was watching all possible realities no matter how ridiculous it was and is. The past present and future are all combined simultaneously. I remember seeing numbers but in the style of like that call of duty game black ops 1 where alex mason gets numbers stuck in his head when he gets mindcontrolled by a german scientist from ww2. Anyway, I looked at those numbers that were typing as a code for reality. When I say that, I mean it in the context that anything is possible because it’s codable. That’s why some make the analogy that god is a programmer (yes i’m atheist but when I say “god” I mean the “self” or “ego”). What I also remember seeing were “portals” or “wormholes” which are basically ripples in the fabric of space. The acknowledgment of portals led me to believe that consciousness is always here. There is no going out “far” or “close”, we are just “here”. Now after reading the numbers for ages, I heard a portal open up behind me, an entity that looked like a bizzare biblical angel looking thing was connecting to my location. Then we interfaced and I had “telekinesis” with a super simple message which was summarized as to “Just be”.

It had so many eyes 😭

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HumanSeeing t1_is1leqe wrote

What a wonderfully positive experience! But yep, this is true. The details of wormholes and what colors or exact shapes the visuals were are irrelevant, but there is immense.. almost endless truth found in the experience of ego death. Sure insane to people who hear something like this for the first time, but if you know then you know.

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Aevbobob t1_iryv1ei wrote

Joined around a year ago, discovered our exponential trajectory around 2018. Getting more optimistic as time goes on. It took a while for the realization of what we are living through to settle in, but the evidence continuing to pile up makes it easier to let myself believe that something miraculous is happening. Seems like the rate of epic advances is most certainly accelerating.

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TemetN t1_iryiise wrote

I'd be interested in this too - so far your responses seem to be either short, or from people citing something other than when they joined though. You might try going back and reading through the old yearly prediction threads though, I found them interesting in some ways.

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I've only been here since around last Christmas, and the only real changes are a slight update closer on weak AGI, and an acknowledgement we're likely to see the ramp up the singularity before volitional AGI.

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5555volcans t1_irym1gb wrote

I've followed Singularity Reddit since 2018. I've become less optimistic that superintelligent machines will ever happen. There will be intelligence at limited levels compared to us, more like animal intelligence. I think we don't fully realize how special is our consciousness; we all should study our own interior reality to know more, and see that no machine could ever duplicate that complexity.

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duckduckduck21 t1_iryy1cn wrote

Is there a way to see when you joined a community? I'm not sure how long I've been here.

I've definitely become less optimistic as time has passed. As a Gen-Xer. the future we were promised never got here. Further, if (when) the singularity does finally occur, it will likely be used exclusively by the oligarchs towards twisted ends.

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SchwarzerKaffee t1_is0g00l wrote

Fellow Gen Xer. It's not that the future never came, it just had unseen consequences.

I remember thinking you'd be able to shop online eventually and meet people, which you can, but I never imagined that advertising would become so prolific to the point where it is the main thing driving web development.

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Akimbo333 t1_iryrui2 wrote

About a month. I came here cause I saw some cool technology lol!

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INTPbolshevik t1_iryteg6 wrote

Last year, I wanted to be a comic writer and artist who gets their story made into a tv series and then I saw this sub, thinking that exponential tech/ai advancements could help me achieve that dream. Before that, I thought that everything may just be a pipe dream. What a time to be alive.

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Striking_Extent t1_is06d9x wrote

When I first started reading this sub it was totally dominated by a guy named u/ideasware. Like three quarters of the content posted here was posted by him. A lot of his focus was evangelizing about the control problem and it was highly polarizing.

I spent tons of time arguing with him daily for a while. At that point I was more optimistic, and he was extremely concerned about the control problem and social upheaval and various angles of AI apocalypse. Now I share many of his concerns. He died four or five years ago, so it was before that.

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TheHamsterSandwich OP t1_is08jbs wrote

As long as we have many people who share his and your concerns, we can make things go right. RIP ideasware

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Ordowix t1_irz7gr9 wrote

Joined 3 years ago. Read singularity 5 years ago. Things are going maybe a little slower than I thought but surprisingly on track. However, I've become more skeptical that it will accelerate to the point where my lifespan will extend beyond 110.

Expecting something like the Singularity around 2150-2200.

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z0rm t1_irzrxe6 wrote

I think if it takes until 2150 it won't be a singularity. Singularity is a massive leap in technology in just a few years, so big of a leap we can't really predict what the world will look like in a few years. If it doesn't happen before 2100 then we will have improved our technology too much to ever see a singularity. We can still reach the same end point though.

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Ordowix t1_is027fl wrote

I suspect your and most people's definition of "massive leap in technology" is egocentrically rather than antropocentrically based (as was mine) as to make it so that any decade over the year of your death is suddenly considered "not massive" because it disables your possibility of infinite lifespan. When compared to the rest of human history it actually would still be a singularity.

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z0rm t1_is05rwb wrote

No it's based on what a singularity actually is. In physics it's the point in a black hole when all concepts of time and space breaks down. The technological singularity is when technology moves so fast it results in unforseeable changes to human society. Yeah we can absolutely say the singularity is happening right now if we are looking at the bigger picture but that's not what the technological singularity is. Then it's just rapid growth of technology.

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z0rm t1_is06kxo wrote

Also I don't think we need a singularity for infinite lifespan. I think we will reach longevity escape velocity around 2050.

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Adhria t1_irzbsed wrote

Almost two years well I still maintain that the singularity is more likely in 2040 onwards I'm not so optimistic as the monthly post on this sub saying that singularity is next year...

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Mokebe890 t1_irzwmw4 wrote

Here and there for 10 years already, on this sub for one year currently. Im more realistic towards pessimistic now. There is some change in the air but its not advancing as fast as I'd expect it to. Reading breakthrough papers 10 years ago we should really have some proto AGI now, or at least something really autonomous like cars. But we got stable diffusion and DALEE which is also something important. By current frame if we have absolutly nothing by 2030-2035 I will be 100% pessimistic that singularity won't occur in my lifetime.

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GenoHuman t1_is0lgb7 wrote

I don't think AGI will be here in the 2030s but I do believe that AI competent enough to do most work will be. So being able to live in leisure or at least not having to work 40 hours a week would be fine with me even if AGI never become real in my lifetime.

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DukkyDrake t1_is2bnnb wrote

>but I do believe that AI competent enough to do most work will be.

That is the likely trajectory of existing progress, anything much beyond that is very speculative at this point.

Just because that capability being developed is more likely than not, it doesn't mean a life of leisure will happen for the avg person. Cultural trajectories are very difficult to alter, the world views of certain subcultures are vehemently against such outcomes. You might have to wait until attrition removes most of the 60s or even the 70s and older generations from the game board before a life of leisure is more likely than not, perhaps another 30-40 years.

>The Economics of Automation: What Does Our Machine Future Look Like?

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Powerful_Range_4270 t1_irzxtpo wrote

I joined or started to fallow it in late 2020 under a different name that I deleted.If vr is not main stream and no AGI before 2030 I leave this sub. Same with futurology.

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darklinux1977 t1_iryv1l3 wrote

a month or two, I love this sub, because it's really the only place where we talked about the singularity, without selling me the latest fashionable programming language or the startup that will revolutionize AI, but so the founders never opened a book on Python or know how to install Linux

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quinkmo t1_irypvtr wrote

6 months or so

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borntobemild- t1_irzeqv4 wrote

Been a fan since the Our Lady Peace album, spiritual machines, and Ray Kurzweil.

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visarga t1_is0fpyb wrote

I became aware of AI in 2007 when Hinton came out with Restricted Boltzmann Machines (RBMs, a dead end today). I've been following it and started learning ML in 2010. I am a ML engineer now, and I read lots of papers every day.

Ok, so my evaluation - I am surprised with the current batch of text and image generators. The game playing agents and the protein folding stuff are also impressive. I didn't expect any of them even though I was following closely. Two other surprises along the way were residual networks, which put the deep into deep learning, and the impact of scaling up to billions of parameters.

I think we still need 10,000x scaling to reach human level both in intelligence and efficiency, but we'll have expensive to use AGI in a lab sooner.

I predict the next big thing will be large video models, not the ones we see today but really large like GPT-3. They will be great for robotics and automation, games and of course video generation. They have "procedural" knowledge - how we do things step by step - that is missing in text and images. They align video/images with audio and language. Unfortunately videos are very long, so hard to train on.

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mealoftheday42 t1_is10epb wrote

What would your guess be for how much we need to scale for expensive agi? Are we talking 50x, 500x, 1000x, 5000x?

Feel free to ignore this rant (I mostly wrote it to get my own thoughts in order), but if you have time by all means correct me on anything I'm wrong about.

I know this is largely guesswork as to the needed model scale/compute power, but I'm a layman who generally disregarded the possibility of near-term agi... until I saw a few arguments showing the freakiness of the exponential curves at play. This has made me feel a bit existential to say the least. I know confirmation bias is a thing so I've sought out counterarguments. From what I've seen they mostly center around two points. The first is that long-term gains with our current pathway are untenable (our current ai lacks any sort of true intelligence and will quickly plateau), and that failed examples like self-driving cars are proof of how ill-equipped we are to deal with such complex problems.

To the dismay of my existentialism, neither of these arguments convince me. To the first point, the nay-sayers have a habit of bringing less data to their arguments than the near-termers. I don't doubt another ai winter is possible, but a stagnation first requires a slowing in progress. Exponential curves don't just slam to a halt, barring global catastrophe. The only place I see evidence of stagnation is in Moore's law, which is a pretty narrow measure. Even then, computing power by other measures is still expanding just as fast, and most engineers I've heard from still expect a few more doublings on the transistor counts. I don't doubt that just brute forcing agi by bringing more computing power to our current frameworks is unrealistic, but that's when I look at other measures of ai progress. GPUs produced, spending on ai, number of people working on ml; they're all expanding exponentially. People in the 60s famously predicted famine would engulf the rising population, but failed to anticipate that rising population would bring additional innovation. Hunger has only gone down at an exponential rate since then. Expecting engineers to suddenly stop looking for new ml frameworks is to ignore all historical trends.

To the second point, I agree that people have been claiming self-driving cars are two years away for the last ten years. This to me though seems more anecdotal than anything. Sure, a problem that optimists said would be solved in five to ten years is likely going to take twenty, but a ten year error is a blink of an eye all things considered. When you broaden the range of exponential technological progress to the start of the industrial revolution, this delay seems to be a molehill rather than a mountain. Regardless, we can find plenty of counter-examples of people underestimating the time it'd take for ai to do things like beat humans at Go. When both sides are just using anecdotes, only data can resolve whether we're systematically overestimating or underestimating progress. Unfortunately I've been unable to find anything on this, so for now I'm unconvinced by the argument we're too optimistic. I'm keeping an eye on prediction markets in the future though.

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Frumpagumpus t1_is5bmlr wrote

i'm gonna answer for him and say, just put all the points you mentioned on a normal/gaussian distribution with 500x and 1000x one std deviation away from mean, and 50x and 5000x two std deviations

that's what I guess he would think

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TopicRepulsive7936 t1_is6d7q6 wrote

I think people tend to vastly underestimate what we're capable of in terms of computing infrastructure. In the 1930's AI was done on pen and paper (Turing's chess engine) and in the early 1990's supercomputers were still a single cabinet systems. We're far removed from those times but there's also room to grow. Then there are those who have kneejerk opposition of us utilizing our planetary resources for AI, they are entitled to their opinion but I don't think it does any good to listen to those types of people.

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MercuriusExMachina t1_is0j1lc wrote

I've been around here since 2017 or so. I have became more optimistic.

Since then, I have been predicting ASI for 2025.

But back then in 2017 I felt that 2025 is super optimistic, now it feels super conservative.

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MuzZzel t1_is9qmd2 wrote

ASI in 2025? That still feels super optimistic by me :D

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MercuriusExMachina t1_isagg3u wrote

2 or 3 more years and we'll see.

We already know the architecture for AGI (the Transformer), so for now we just scale it up.

The scaling hypothesis has not been falsified so far.

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Starnois t1_is0u3jo wrote

I discovered the Singularity thesis on StumbleUpon in 2010. i got super obsessed with it for a decade, but I hardly think about it anymore. Some cool things have happened in the past decade, but I’m kinda disappointed at the level of progress. I still think it will happen though.

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TheHamsterSandwich OP t1_is10f7s wrote

Think you'll be obsessed with it again in the future?

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Starnois t1_is1jp5f wrote

Probably. I’ve toned it down a bit for now. I was becoming a prophet for a bit there lol.

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langolier27 t1_irzcpna wrote

I'm not subscribed, but it pops up on my feed every once and a while and am always curious to see what you jokers are getting up to.

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CremeEmotional6561 t1_irzds4n wrote

>I would like to know when you joined the Singularity subreddit.

Approximately 5 years ago under another account: https://camas.unddit.com/#{%22author%22:%22wlorenz65%22,%22resultSize%22:100,%22before%22:%222017-05-16T22:00:00.000Z%22}

>And if you've been here for a while (let's say 5-10 years), have you become more optimistic as time has passed, or have you become less optimistic?

Neither nor, I've just become more unconcerned.

>I'd also like to know what brought you here, but you don't have to include that part.

Vengeance on the genes that have built my ageing and hurting human body plus an engineer's mindset to solve problems by technology.

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NefariousNaz t1_irzecju wrote

I don't recall, within past couple of years. I've been aware of the singularity concept for far longer from other forums I frequented nearly decades ago

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Cr4zko t1_irzi2x9 wrote

3 years on and off at this point, from those Valve BCI and Neuralink news. Guess we haven't advanced much since then but eh the articles are decent eye candy.

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GenoHuman t1_is0kzle wrote

Neuralink has NOTHING to do with AI, you better follow Deepmind and their research, they are a real AI company with a real child prodigy as founder (Demis Hassabis). Elon Musk is a mere charlatan, selling dreams that never come to fruition like his Hyperloop, Taxi-robots, solar cells that look like roofs, etc...

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marvinthedog t1_irzo7ef wrote

I think I have been on here for about 10 years. Over those years I have gone from extremely optimistic to extremely pessimistic about the outcome of the singularity. :-( My estimated timelines has gotten a little shorter aswell. Right now I think it´s about 5 to 15 years left.

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I first got here through https://www.kurzweilai.net/forums/ which is now dead. I don´t know how I found that forum. I have allways been interested in sci fi and the future but when I saw The Matrix for the first time it completely changed my world view.

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Desperate_Donut8582 t1_irzrjt1 wrote

Was this subreddit this hopium in 2010?

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Desperate_Donut8582 t1_is0f3qe wrote

I feel like that maybe true or maybe because the sub members increased hence more posts and findings….idk maybe it is increasing exponentially

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marvinthedog t1_irzs3w9 wrote

I am not sure it was this sub reddit. It´s possible this sub was more Kurzweil oriented back then. Kurzweil is very much an optimist.

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Quealdlor t1_isgfcxj wrote

The longer I live, the further away the Singularity seems. I don't understand how you guys can possibly think it will happen before 2045. I think if it happens at all, it will happen no earlier than 2065. Either you have a different definition or you don't understand progress. I'm optimistic. I think the future will be gradually better. Without some overly crazy stuff. But we will gradually get wealthier, live longer, healthier and be happier. I saw for example how much faster is RTX 4090 from 3090 in AI. It's only 60 to 70% faster after 2 years. That's certainly nothing close to what is necessary for the Singularity to be near.

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marvinthedog t1_isgj6by wrote

I mean we only need AI at human level of intelligence to completely change everything. It doesn´t seem particularly far away. Today we have AI that can create video from text. If that is not human-like intelligence I don´t know what is. 10 Years ago we didn´t have AI at all. So if we extrapolate 10 more years it seems to me like all the bets are off.

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Quealdlor t1_isiqtoz wrote

Singularity ≠ human level AI

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marvinthedog t1_isitn4y wrote

To quote Perry E. Metzger:s twitter post (I don´t know who he is but his arguments are solid):

Today you need to painstakingly raise an engineer over decades. Tomorrow, you’ll be able to boot up a few thousand if you need them, and the team will happily do 20,000 years of R&D in a few hours. Including R&D on building still better and faster engineers of course.

What happens when the design and manufacturing work we expect to happen in decades happens in less time than it takes to brush your teeth? What happens when science and engineering advance millions of years in the time it normally takes to get a new cellphone to market?

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Quealdlor t1_isnoso5 wrote

We'll see. I hope that enormous prosperity and satisfaction happens. It's possible. I'm rather optimistic, but I think hardware will be limiting what is achievable. I'm looking forward to new developments.

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Martholomeow t1_irzuqtw wrote

Maybe three or four years? I’m equally pessimistic as i allways was. i’ve never been very optimistic about it and this sub hasn’t changed anything.

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-WASM t1_is060zq wrote

A few months. AI artwork generators brought me here. I’ve retrained from location film work to art due to illness and seems like an exciting time to be an artist. The technology is amazing and could be integrated well into workflows as long as people aren’t passing AI art off as their own.

I’m enjoying reading about things that I know very little about. It’s exhilarating rather than scary I’d say. We just don’t know what we are in for with the technology we are developing.

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eternus t1_is0njpg wrote

It's been many years, more than 5, maybe 10 but I'm not terribly active in this sub.

I joined because I've always been fascinated by this possible sci-fi future and I wanted to see a perspective on humanity's future that isn't based on politics and environmentalism, both offering a very bleak future.

I've been on long enough to feel like nothing is happening fast enough (to my liking) and the 2 previous viewpoints I mentioned have tainted what I think will happen. eg. Every time I hear of something that will prolong life or give a new state of consciousness I have the cynical thought that it will be for the rich and unattainable by the common man.

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TheHamsterSandwich OP t1_is0t7n5 wrote

If Ray Kurzweil is even remotely onto something, it will be free for everyone.

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HydrousIt t1_is01lkq wrote

Few months. One of the best subs I've joined so hopefully I don't get kicked lol

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Saint_Sm0ld3r t1_is08wmg wrote

I've been on Singularity for almost 7 years and I still don't know where I am.

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Tidezen t1_is09q71 wrote

A few years I guess? I started becoming interested in singularity ideas from reading the LessWrong forums back in the 2010's.

I was more optimistic ten years ago, but I'm more sure of it happening than before. Just that it seems to be much "messier" than I hoped.

I also never seriously considered the possibility that aliens might be the harbingers of it, before a couple years ago. But there's still AI, and institutional collapse to worry about.

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-ZeroRelevance- t1_is0d0h5 wrote

Mid-2020 I think. If I remember correctly, I saved the sub because it looked interesting, then saw another interesting post on it and began to come here more regularly. Now I get most of my AI news from here these days.

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qntmfred t1_is0edi2 wrote

almost certainly 10+ years. I read The Age of Spiritual Machines (which still sits on my bookshelf) probably 20 years ago. I work in tech and have seen and participated in the arc toward the singularity. I'm more optimistic in the sense that the trends that were identified 20+ years ago are still chugging along. As others have mentioned there are persistent (and perhaps intensifying) threats to the continuing progress of humanity that may disrupt our progress toward the singularity itself, but if we can manage to keep from completing borking the modern world we have built, I still feel like the next decade or two are going to bring some pretty foundational changes to our world.

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2Punx2Furious t1_is0hl3i wrote

Don't remember exactly when, but probably more than 5 years.

Depends what you mean by "optimistic", as I've seen people mean very different things, depending on what they believe will happen.

If you believe that the singularity will be good, then it would be "optimistic" for it to happen sooner.

I don't believe that.

I think it has the potential to be very good, or very bad. And right now, the likelihood of it turning out bad, is higher than the good one.

As for timelines, my opinion changed significantly over the years. I used to think that Kurzweil's estimate of it happening by 2045 was way too early, and I predicted it closer to 2065. Now I think it might happen even sooner than 2045, maybe even within 2030, very likely by 2040.

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Whattaboutthecosmos t1_is0nw6i wrote

I joined a few days or so after discovering StableDiffusion. I came here looking for information about newly available tech.

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tedd321 t1_is0ox56 wrote

I joined maybe 5 years ago during Uni.

I am still as impatient as ever and would like things to go as fast as possible because I have a lot of plans.

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MuzZzel t1_is9rj2a wrote

Nice, what are your plans?

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tedd321 t1_isb4iwt wrote

See the world, Go to space, Play full dive VR, Use nano bots to build cool things,

The possibilities are endless

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Mr_pb_hole t1_is10jpl wrote

A few weeks. I think I joined because of a post related to these AIs creating original images.

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ryusan8989 t1_is11ksy wrote

I’ve known of the singularity since 2014, but joined the subreddit maybe 2016 but back then I didn’t really use Reddit. But as mobile platforms became widely more available in the last few years I’ve been using Reddit way more. It’s a daily site for me to check now. But I have waves of optimism filled with waves of pessimism. Sometimes when I scroll through YouTube looking up videos about technological progression, it saddens me to see people bringing up biblical bs like the singularity is the mark of the beast. Not that it affects me but as we have seen, a huge chunk of the US (where I live) is religious and will use their platforms to try to suppress technological progression. I.E. trying to convince people the vaccines are dangerous when it single handedly allowed us to escape the pandemic and I’m an ICU RN and seen firsthand how much death occurred from that virus during the pandemic. So I believe my biggest fear about technological progression is it’s own suppression by irrational individuals that try to create policies to suppress innovation. Don’t get me wrong, I am a strong advocate for safe technological use and research. However, to claim anything is demonic because they don’t understand technology is extremely annoying to me. I also find it quite annoying because as time moves on, I know the ones who are speaking out against our innovation will be the ones who use it in the future.

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ihateshadylandlords t1_is1e96b wrote

About a year at this point, I think I came here from /r/futurology. Even though I think the sentiment is way too optimistic, I still think most discussions/posters here are great.

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soaklord t1_is1f1wy wrote

Joined in the last couple of weeks. Been talking about and reading about the singularity for years, just never thought to check Reddit for a sub. (I know, my bad). As for optimism... naturally a cynic and convinced that any given revolutionary tech takes far, far longer to implement and become commonplace than any scientist/writer/prognosticator can possibly account for on a regular basis. Source: See self-driving cars, flying cars, fusion energy. I am hopeful though that at least the last one will happen in my lifetime.

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quantummufasa t1_is1jop2 wrote

I know ive been on /r/futurology since 2011 (since I joined basically, read Kurzweils book in ~2007), cant remember when I made the switch but I spend much more time here

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ndetro t1_is1qnb1 wrote

Joined last week looking for like minded people.

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whenhaveiever t1_is1sw6d wrote

I've been here for a few years, and had interest in the singularity since sometime around 2010. I think I'm more optimistic regarding the timeline, in that I think we'll see extremely capable AI sooner rather than later, but I'm more pessimistic regarding our ability as a society to avoid disasters along the way.

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Eleganos t1_is4jlll wrote

I've lurked since 2012 (though I really started paying close attention around 2014-2016) but only properly joined relatively recently a few years ago.

I'm both more and less optimistic in places. Vr came when I thought it would , but is less than it ought to have been (problem of cost and adopters and lack of proper developmentls focus.)

Most tech bro stuff which was my younger self's teenaged gateway into Singularity has since failed or massively dissapointed. Elon's still nowhere near close to Mars, self driving cars feel like they're in the same place they were ten years ago, and Kurzweil still hasn't released 'The Singularity is Nearer'.

All that said, A.I. seems to be meeting expectations, perhaps developing faster than first expected. Robotics is going strong. Medical advances continue to steadily advance. Etcetera

If I were to put it in an allegory, it's like things are a bot sailing a story sea. Sometimes the waves rock the boat, sometimes the winds push the sail further along than usual, yet, all in all, it's coming along around as long as it should. Maybe sooner, maybe later. But the ballpark feels the same.

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Frumpagumpus t1_is5brvn wrote

after alphago for sure.

for me the big updates were alphago and gpt3.

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Ortus12 t1_is5q8xv wrote

I suspect billions of years at minimum. All of our reddit posts, and all of posts online will be used countless times in the future to create many different versions of us.

The birth of the internet is a massive influx in data, which means historically it's the first time a huge amount of data is available for earth simulations with a very large amount of historically accurate people and interactions.

The chance that you are the original you, rather than a copy reverse engineered from your posting history is essentially zero.

The answer to your question of course depends on weather or not you consider all of those different versions of you, running on all of those different simulations, to be you. What I do know is that the idea of a definitive edge to self, either as defined spatial temporally or conceptually by defining self as a specific set of patterns is an illusion used to simplify reality and bring it in to a workable conceptual model.

tldr: You merely adopted the singularity reddit. I was born in it. Molded by it.

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iSpatha t1_is7ldr4 wrote

Around late 2014 I discovered this sub and the whole concept of a Singularity in total.

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peterflys t1_ishh9cv wrote

I read Kurzweil’s books circa 2010 and started lurking around Reddit and elsewhere to get a better understanding of community feelings toward exponential growth of emerging tech. But I actually just joined this Sub today! The thought of curing most biological diseases (via gene therapies or nanobots) is just seems so enticing, intoxicating, that I try to follow as much as I can.

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Kydunn t1_ismj78h wrote

Close to 2 years. I think I'm at the same starting point, neither more optimistic nor more pessimistic.

This reddit has a lot of people very hopeful about radical and unimaginable changes. As for example the simulation of a virtual world completely indistinguishable from the real one in a few decades (or less) or an AI capable of solving all the structural problems of society. I remain skeptical about this, however much I want it.

A lot of impressive technologies have come out (the one that interests me the most at the moment is the generation of artificial images, very cool), there are also discussions about obsolete human work and UBI. But in the end, none of that seems too close and tomorrow is going to be another day like today.

At least artificial intelligence girlfriends still seem to be something possible in an average period of time (I'm not talking about boring, repetitive and monotonous chat bots like replika), so I'm still waiting for more news in the area (very little about this subject appears here)

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Redvolition t1_iubdypp wrote

First came about the idea in 2016, and was enthusiastic about it for 1 or 2 years. Things went somewhat stale after that and I set these perspectives aside. Last two months image AI generators and BCI advancements brought me fully back into checking tech related subs almost daily to see the newest breakthroughs, including this one.

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