ChronoPsyche t1_is3dvgr wrote on October 13, 2022 at 12:28 AM

Reply to comment by subdep in Computer-connected human neurons learn to play video games by galactic-arachnid

Nope. It's still artificial because they are grown by humans using extracted stem cells and are artificially stimulated and modulated by humans.

Natural intelligence would be intelligence that emerges entirely from natural processes, aka evolution.

Its not about the material but the process. They are natural cells and we are making use of their natural properties, but intelligence refers to the overall activity taking place. Neuron cells in a petri dish don't naturally act intelligent without human intervention.

subdep t1_is43l8g wrote on October 13, 2022 at 3:47 AM

By your logic though, we could categorize most humans who use smartphones with social media as artificial since they are processing data and information in a way manipulated by scientists conducting experiments in order to shape the results.

ChronoPsyche t1_is4xp9l wrote on October 13, 2022 at 10:10 AM

What? That makes no sense. Humans using smart phone with social media is not intelligence at all or any discrete phenomena being studied in a lab. Nobody is claiming that humans using smartphones with social media is artificial or natural. That's not even a useful descriptor for such a general set of activities as such.

The data being processed is also not manipulated by scientists conducting experiments. What scientist is conducting an experiment on the set of all humans using smartphones? You totally are confused here.

My logic would say that the smart phones themselves are artifical, because they were developed by humans. Likewise, if intelligence arises from an artificial process, then that intelligence is artifical. For something to be natural, it has to have arisen from a natural process.

subdep t1_is5ijun wrote on October 13, 2022 at 1:32 PM

You’re lack of awareness perplexes me.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jul/02/facebook-apologises-psychological-experiments-on-users

https://acawiki.org/The_Law_and_Ethics_of_Experiments_on_Social_Media_Users

ChronoPsyche t1_is5jnfk wrote on October 13, 2022 at 1:40 PM

Your extrapolating erroneously. My statement was specifically about creating intelligence. Not every experiment is about creating something and the question of artifical vs natural is not something that applies to the situation you are referring to.

Also, social media itself is not an experiment. The existence of an experiment within the context of social media does not mean that the entire social media paradigm is some experiment in a lab.

Instead of doing "whataboutism" why don't you explain why my logic is faulty. If a process is created though artifical means, how is it not artificial? Artifical refers to the intelligence, not the substrate.

genshiryoku t1_is57fww wrote on October 13, 2022 at 12:01 PM

I artificially built my child in one night and 9 months of gestation by my wife. It reached AGI years ago.

ChronoPsyche t1_is580oi wrote on October 13, 2022 at 12:06 PM

The entire process of human development is natural. The only human directed effort is sex, which is basically the planting of a seed. Even then, since sex is driven by natural instincts, it too is natural.