Plouw t1_it7frbr wrote on October 21, 2022 at 2:09 PM

Reply to comment by Lawjarp2 in Thoughts on Full Dive - Are we in one right now? by fignewtgingrich

What makes you assume we have any idea what motives post-singularity civilization has? It might be so, that they are not interested in what 'chemical emotions' provide, it might be the opposite. A motive could be to learn by experiencing all aspects of reality. A motive could also be for the pure entertainment - we do not know.

Lawjarp2 t1_it8d7jy wrote on October 21, 2022 at 5:53 PM

Experiences, in the way you imply, derives its value from the saturation of neurons from over stimulation to the same stimulus. Hence we crave new experiences. Why would something so fundamental to brains, something arising out of physical properties of a biological organ be relevant in a non biological world. Same goes for entertainment.

Plouw t1_itkqhaz wrote on October 24, 2022 at 11:20 AM

>Why would something so fundamental to brains, something arising out of physical properties of a biological organ be relevant in a non biological world

We do not know, because we haven't seen the non-biological world in anything but a very premature stage.

The issue is you are assuming the function is based off of something biological, and not the other way around; that evolution build this function through something biological, because this function has a intellectual ( or other) benefit. Maybe it is not inherit to biological brains/intelligence but to intelligence, biological or not. Do we feel because of biological processes or do we feel because it has a functional purpose and biological evolution build processes to make us feel.

It feels off to attribute this to biological only, merely because you have only seen it biologically, as if you're ignoring the black swan.

Lawjarp2 t1_itkratm wrote on October 24, 2022 at 11:29 AM

Necessity is what I'm arguing about. Feelings like the ones primates have are relevant only in the context of primates. Apes thinking evolved humans will simulate them to learn about them is just as stupid as humans thinking post-humans would. One, because it's unnecessary since it's easier to create a literal physical zoo and two we don't waste a lot of energy doing ape simulations precise to the quantum level because it's expensive energy wise.

Plouw t1_itks351 wrote on October 24, 2022 at 11:38 AM

>Feelings like the ones primates have are relevant only in the context of primates

Why?

> It's unnecessary since it's easier to create a literal physical zoo

A physical zoo does not replace studying them in the wild.

>We don't waste a lot of energy doing ape simulations precise to the quantum level because it's expensive energy wise.

Yet.

Lawjarp2 t1_itktgsl wrote on October 24, 2022 at 11:52 AM

Because those emotions were created for a social environment with similar beings.

A physical zoo can be as big as reserve or even a planet. Terraforming is still cheaper than planet simulation.

You clearly underestimate how energy intensive full quantum level simulations are.

Plouw t1_ityyc2q wrote on October 27, 2022 at 10:09 AM

>Because those emotions were created for a social environment with similar beings.

So maybe to research a creature better it would be beneficial to experience the emotions.

>A physical zoo can be as big as reserve or even a planet. Terraforming is still cheaper than planet simulation.

If we were to be a simulation, you have no idea what is cheap or not in the world that is creating our simulation.

>You clearly underestimate how energy intensive full quantum level simulations are.

You seem to be too confident in your ability to predict the motivations of something that you have no to very limited experience with.