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AdditionalPizza OP t1_its5lo8 wrote

Reply to comment by Kinexity in With all the AI breakthroughs and IT advancements the past year, how do people react these days when you try to discuss the nearing automation and AGI revolution? by AdditionalPizza

>willing to create a system of bullshit jobs just to force people to "work".

Yeah I'm really hoping that doesn't become the case. That's what it seems like everyone thinks is ideal too. Like automate everything, but keep people doing meaningless work just to feel like they have a purpose.

That and they can't seem to comprehend humans aren't special when it comes to things like creativity, fixing things, customer service/relations, etc. There's a lot of people that say "never" and that AI has been touted as automating jobs for decades. I guess they never thought eventually that decade would come.

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Saratustrah t1_ituozcv wrote

>humans aren't special when it comes to things like creativity, fixing things, customer service/relations

humans are though. Creativity is a trait that only very few animals have ever shown, while its inherent to every human being in some way. Service-Relations, or rather social relations in any way again are a very human-focused thing - even if a computer could replicate a person well, the other side in any given relation could still want human contact and communication just for being human contact instead.

We ARE special. And have been for thousands of years. And while I believe, that creating an AGI could be possible, it does not exist yet and there is no guarantee it will.

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AdditionalPizza OP t1_itutn3p wrote

Everyone just a few years ago assumed AI would start at the bottom of the pyramid and we would work up to creating human equivalent intelligence. But it seems like the opposite is true, and the basic functions are more difficult to simulate than the "higher" functions reserved for humans. Like creativity, intellect, language, reasoning, etc. Those seem to be easier to do than basic traits like fear, motor skills, and other basic things we think of as less unique to humans.

Humans are special when compared to other biological creatures, but we don't even fully know the intelligence of some other species. We just have the advantage of having evolved with thumbs and the ability to walk upright.

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augustulus1 t1_itvhthz wrote

Do you think Amish people and other very conservative groups will accept automation and give up working?

Not gonna happen. There always will be AI-free communities, therefore full automation is impossible and there will be jobs for humans.

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AdditionalPizza OP t1_itvjr9k wrote

To be honest, I don't ever think about Amish people's way of life or how that applies to 99.9% of the rest of the world.

So the solution is go become part of a luddite religion?

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augustulus1 t1_itvm4qm wrote

I think there will be hundreds of millions who will refuse the brave new world. I mean it's easier to accept cars and electricity than superhuman AI and a chip in your brain. Most likely there will be parallel societies. One super advanced and globalized society for those, who want to thrive and prosper, and a lot of backward looking societies for those who don't like the idea of rapidly advancing technology: neoluddites, ultra conservatives, qanon-guys, and other esoteric folks. Just think about the antivaxxer movement, how big it is. And because they have human rights, you can't force them to accept the technology. You guys, in this subreddit, always underestimate the human stupidity.

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AdditionalPizza OP t1_itvt9hd wrote

But that's not really the discussion. I don't care so much about what the minority that refuses technology does or doesn't do. They could go start their own low-tech society and pay taxes to their elected officials, but that doesn't help me in a world where I want to live with new technologies and strive to not have to work meaningless jobs ever again.

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ReadSeparate t1_iu4njyx wrote

There's something you're missing here though, and that is that the minds in a superintelligent society will also be super-competent at convincing people to stop being luddites. They would probably capable of saying the PERFECT thing to convince virtually everyone, and for those that aren't convinced, they will eventually die off because they presumably will refuse life extension tech as well.

So, in the long term, we're talking about the whole planet here.

There's also the possibility that the superintelligent society does it by force as well. They may determine it's less immoral to force them to assimilate than it is to allow them to live regular human lives filled with suffering and hardship.

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