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[deleted] OP t1_iul6t1m wrote

Zero. Nada. Nilch.

They would shoot themselves in the foot.

If USA outlaws AI research, China would double down, and vice versa.

Would some governments do it? Maybe, but they will make themselves obsolete big time.

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Ross15 t1_iumqxv8 wrote

Yup, China will absolutely use technology to enhance themselves and America(west in general) will do the same, just to keep up, even if theocrats object.

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TheLastSamurai t1_iungi2c wrote

I disagree completely. You’re assuming rational actors. Have you seen American politics? It’s a disaster. Also, maybe some people don’t want their entire life revolved around AI, and with the social upheaval automation from narrow AI is about to rapidly cause from job replacement, who do you think they will come for? I say it’s very likely

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[deleted] OP t1_iunu6wt wrote

I have seen American politics. It is not a disaster, at least not to the level that the rest of the world is.

USA will not ban research, that is not how we do it here. China for example banned Bitcoin. USA didn't. The way USA will deal with Bitcoin will probably be through taxes. Same for AI. I can see first Europe (USB-C example) or China (Bitcoin example) banning AI research.

USA is the land of the free, even if very regulated or taxed.

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TheLastSamurai t1_iuny9tr wrote

We don’t even think climate change is real here, we don’t act rationally. The issue will be politicized via populism, expect severe backlash

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Ivanthedog2013 t1_iuo8gep wrote

so how exactly is banning abortions serving their bottom lines lol?

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you honestly think they are that competent enough ?

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deekaph t1_iul8jkg wrote

People are afraid of change. AI represents a seismic shift that will have a huge effect on every single aspect of human existence and they’re scared. But does anyone really believe that a hundred years from now we will have turned off the tap? The genie is out of the bottle now.

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MassiveIndependence8 t1_iulhcka wrote

It only takes one to tip everything over. It’s like the atomic bomb, I imagined had the atomic energy been discovered in a less urgent time (WW2) the kind of debates that could arose would’ve been the exact same as what you’ve mentioned above. And just like the atom bomb, it only takes one country to heed to the call of power for everyone else to follow, as it would be too much of a threat not to do something. If China amassed an army of cyborgs, capable of processing, transferring information faster than any living thing and stronger than any organism we’ve seen before then it is simply a matter of survival for the US to join and enter the biotech race. Politics would die and realpolitik will emerge.

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Deformero t1_iulbf7y wrote

I can see your point and I believe you are right. But everyone is aware that blocking AI development is really only deminishing its own development and alowing competittion to grow out of scale. There will always be some communities that like their way of life and want to be left alone and thats OK. I dont think Amishes are threat to anyone, neither are those "backward philosofers" you find annoying. Just relax and enjoy the show.

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FDP_666 t1_iun9wgl wrote

La France est aujourd'hui un pays athée peuplé de culs-bénits. Profites-en car la démographie privilégiée par l'Etat ne permet aucun espoir d'amélioration.

Concernant la possibilité pour les incompétents qui nous dirigent de bloquer le futur à nos portes, garde à l'esprit que :

  1. Lesdits incompétents sont incompétents.
  2. Même une dictature fondamentalement isolationniste comme la Corée du Nord ne reste pas totalement imperméable à la marche du progrès technique.

Voici donc un scénario probable concernant un sous-sujet de la futurologie. Entreprise X développe avec succès Traitement Y dont les effets rajeunissants permettent à Pays Z de faire des économies monstrueuses sur ses dépenses de santé. En France, on n'a pas de recherche comme ça – de toute façon c'est immoral – alors il faut créer un comité à la con constitué d'experts que nous n'avons pas pour déterminer si être plus jeune que vieux est plus avantageux que désavantageux.

Dans un pays normal, n'importe quel ahuri peut constater en 2 secondes que les données épidémiologiques disent qu'être jeune c'est bien ; mais en plus de vivre dans un pays stupidement bioconservateur, nous vivons également dans une merveille de bureaucratie. Résultat, on a une nouvelle usine à gaz remplie de mongoliens qui racontent n'importe quoi (voir la crise covid) et délaient inutilement l'arrivée de nos (très) chers dirigeants à la conclusion qu'il faut copier le modèle XYZ.

Sachant que le vieillissement biologique est responsable de l'extrême majorité des décès en occident, et par là-même constitue de très loin le premier poste de dépenses de santé publique (les vieux cannent pas immédiatement mais accumulent les comorbidités), on constate donc dès aujourd'hui que le résultat va pas être beau à voir. Maintenant applique ça à l'IA, la conquête spatiale, et à tout le reste.

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Pour ce qui est d'une coordination internationale : d'une part, le monde est trop polarisé pour que soit établie la moindre régulation effective des technologies susmentionnées ; et d'autre part, ces technologies sont bien souvent le résultat de recherche mainstream, pas de labos ouvertement transhumanistes. Donc quand Michael Levin découvre qu'il peut manipuler la bioélectricité pour faire pousser des pattes sur des animaux amputés, le génie est déjà sorti de la bouteille et le législateur peut juste prier pour que personne ne se serve de ce nouveau savoir pour se faire pousser un chibre de 30 centimètres.

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Le fait est que les différents champs de recherche sont interconnectés par le réel qu'ils tentent d'élucider ; par ailleurs, la sérendipité propre à l'exploration scientifique interdisent d'interdire la découverte de technologies transhumanistes ; à moins bien sûr d'interdire la recherche dans son entièreté, ou de rendre l'ensemble des pays blancs si dysfonctionnels qu'ils ne produisent plus les conditions nécessaires à l'existence de labos fonctionnels.

Je pense qu'on se dirige vers ce scénario, mais pas assez rapidement pour que le scénario d'un monde posthumaniste soit avorté. Mes timelines actuelles pour la fin de l'Histoire se terminent toutes avant 2050 avec une concentration des dates clés vers 2035-2040. Ca laisse le temps à la France de sombrer, mais de toute façon le futur ne se construit pas ici.

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OsakaWilson t1_iulfo6g wrote

This is well covered in the book Life 3.0. The conclusion is that since there is no way to recognize an AI project externally (as there is, for example, a nuclear program), any one member of an agreement acting in bad faith would leave all the rest behind. A simple risk analysis reaches the conclusion in the current global community that, although it makes sense to join an agreement, it would not make sense to actually refrain from creating an AI.

The suggestion that mere humans could keep a super-intelligence confined is also disposed of pretty thoroughly.

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TheLastSamurai t1_iunh200 wrote

Why would it not make sense to refrain from creating AGI? I would love to see an actual risk/benefit analysis done.

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OsakaWilson t1_iuohcv8 wrote

If one other group makes it, they rule the world.

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TheLastSamurai t1_iuoifrc wrote

Some bad game theory. So we all have to try because another might, but if they do so it could literally end humanity?

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OsakaWilson t1_iuoxwq3 wrote

Yes. You are also describing nuclear weapons, which are verifiable, and nearly every party that could, created them. I'm not saying it is good, I'm saying in an environment of distrust, that will be the result. It's not even a national decision. Multiple companies worldwide could pursue it. All it takes is one group believing they can contain it while they get rich and it's over.

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3xplo t1_iulsbkj wrote

You might enjoy Nexus Trilogy, governments do exactly that there.

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arevealingrainbow t1_iulzj0b wrote

Almost nonexistent. Most countries are thinking “either we and our allies develop AGI, or our adversaries do”; it’s basic game theory.

The only countries I could see doing this are backwards primitivist countries like Middle Eastern ones, and even then it is very unlikely. We see countries like Saudi Arabia and UAE who are very pro-development.

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Black_RL t1_ium9dlp wrote

Only if they want to be left behind.

So zero.

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NTIASAAHMLGTTUD t1_iuo1htn wrote

lol, wait until China/Russia/North Korea start getting into that shit and getting results. It's easy to wax philosophically when your enemies don't have the good shit yet.

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Elegant-Tomorrow-203 t1_ium9g09 wrote

Judging by the worldwide culture war on trans adults simply existing, I’m sure conservatives across the world will react the same to people changing their body drastically with technology. Software AI will be allowed as it’s seen as helpful to humans. Once we start making advancement in robotics is when the bans will come, look at any persons reaction on Twitter to realistic animatronics to see how afraid of fake humans people are.

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